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Discussion in 'IMO: In My Opinion' started by doomsdave, Feb 12, 2018.

  1. denice

    denice Advisor Staff Member Advisor

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    The problem is coming up with a way to pay for more stuff while we are already drowning in red ink and the entitlements that we have are not sustainable.

    A favorite is deep cuts to the military but we sure use the heck out of it. Our nuclear arsenal needs from estimates I heard specifically 1 trillion and that was from Hillary Clinton because of age. We could get rid of them but are we going to trust Putin to get rid of his or would we trust Putin to have them while we don't.

    Another favorite is take it from the wealthy. The truth is we could take absolutely everything from the top 1 percent and we would still have a large national debt and present entitlements that are not sustainable.

    This is what drives me nuts about the hard left, that is why I call them the free ice cream, cake and balloons for all crowd. Lots of great stuff for everyone who isn't wealthy, drive up that resentment against the wealthy and the military, that doesn't change the hard facts about money.
     

  2. Willowy

    Willowy TCS Member Top Cat

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    A lot of things would actually cost less if they were managed properly. Everyone already can get free medical care. It happens to so many people---they get their medical care, then declare bankruptcy, or simply don't pay the bill (because they can't). The rest of us have to pay for that. A well-managed national health care system would cost less in the long run.

    A "guaranteed job" system would cost less too, because someone who is employed won't need any/as much government aid, and they'd also be getting a job done.

    And yet, we can't do that, because "it's socialism!".
     
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  3. denice

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    Single payer is doable, it would involve completely replacing the current system but is doable. It would involve another payroll tax with matching from employers and self employed would pay both the employer and employee share. Employers would probably come out ahead financially and they wouldn't have to hassle with health insurance. A large number of employees probably would pay little if any extra for coverage.

    Guaranteed employment is a different story. You know there will be a significant percentage of people who won't really work if the job is guaranteed. They will show up but they will work harder at getting out of work then working. That attitude spreads like wildfire. The people who do work look at the ones that don't and everyone gets the same paycheck, they will go through a period of being angry and resentful then decide they are tired of being taken for fools and quit working.
     

  4. Willowy

    Willowy TCS Member Top Cat

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    I don't think that's how guaranteed employment works in places that have implemented it. The basic gist as I understand it is---if someone can't find a job, the government finds them a job. This job has to pay more than being on government aid, or it would be pretty pointless; working has to be more attractive than not working. If they don't do the job, or do a really bad job, they can still be fired. But it will help people who are good workers but don't interview well or are undesirable to employers due to age or other factors. I agree that making it so they couldn't be fired for poor performance or wrongdoing wouldn't work out.

    Job guarantee - Wikipedia
     
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  5. Lari

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    Not to mention that preventative care is less expensive than emergencies. If someone is able to see a doctor every year and find out, for example, they're pre-diabetic, they can choose to change their lifestyle and turn their health around and the less money would be spent on the ambulance and surgeries and things that arise as emergencies when you go too long.

    I assume that a cavity is cheaper than a root canal (don't quote me on that) and if you visit the dentist regularly you're more likely to catch it early. But to me, healthcare isn't a privilege, so I can't understand thinking people shouldn't have it.

    I understand a bit more about not wanting free universities. Unlike healthcare, not everyone needs that. On the other hand, i see people in my age group drowning in student loan debt. And it's not necessarily people who went to super elite schools or had 'useless' majors like idk. But people who went to state schools with normal degrees. It's like you have this biology degree and want to work in a lab, say, but they all want you to have experience, so you either don't get hired and take a minimum wage job that has nothing to do with bio, or you do their unpaid internship, and by the time you've made enough to start paying things off, you've accrued so much interest and it keeps growing and you're in a hole. I don't think people would mind paying for college so much if that wasn't happening.

    I'm not sure what the solution is there.
     
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  6. Willowy

    Willowy TCS Member Top Cat

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    I think if we changed our mindset about college, free college could work. Right now it's a meaningless status symbol. A college degree means nothing except that you come from a "good family" (translation: well-off). Which is why some companies require college degrees for jobs that don't need one, and don't even care what your major was.

    If we start to look at a college education as a way of actually LEARNING SOMETHING USEFUL, then it would be meaningful. It would mean that someone who got a law degree actually has an aptitude for the law, and not just that his parents make enough money to send him to law school.
     
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  7. micknsnicks2mom

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    i'm just speaking from my own viewpoint, my own opinion.

    i lean strongly towards left politically, but am moderate. i notice that many of those running as Democrat in the midterm elections are campaigning on 'adequate healthcare for all', and 'equitable, high quality education for every child', and more -- or similarly phrased. what i'd personally like to see, what i want to know, is the overall plan for doing this and how it's going to be financed/budgeted for.

    the national debt has risen exponentialy under the current republicans, this isn't something that only republicans are responsible for -- dems have been responsible for this previously. this should be of great concern to all of us. i think 'cuts' need to be done carefully, in well thought out - smart ways. things need to be prioritized. i think the top 10% (not just the top 1%) as well as big corporations need to be pulling their weight with tax paying, instead of being given tax breaks, and existing (tax) loopholes need to be...removed. let's reallocate that recent big tax break for the top 1% and corporations, over towards setting up a single payer healthcare system. this is part of 'a start' on...trimming some fat from our national debt. a healthcare system for all, which also fixes the pharmaceutical companies..insane prices, will trim some fat from the national debt. let's also institute term limits on members of congress, as well as changing their ultra premium healthcare for life to what the rest of us get and trim their other retirement benefits down to similar to what many of the rest of us get (if we're lucky). while we're at it, let's enact some laws preventing our representatives from accepting anything from those who have been buying them. our representatives should be representing their constituents interests, like they were elected to do. we do need to update our nuclear arsenal -- in well thought out/smart ways and possibly over some period of time, as well as careful and well thought out military spending in general.

    i'm seeing it this way, that careful budgeting and planning, as well as not allowing myself to pile up debt is the responsible thing for me to do for me and mine. our government and it's employees should be doing the same.
     
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  8. AbbysMom

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    Just a reminder that the topic of this thread is Mid-Term elections. Can we stick to that, please?
     

  9. doomsdave

    doomsdave Thread Starter TCS Member Top Cat

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    doomsdave Thread Starter TCS Member Top Cat

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  12. denice

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    It has come down to provisional ballots which usually break more for Democrats. I think Balderson will hold on but this is only to fill out the term until the end of the year, these two run again in November.
     

  13. orange&white

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  14. doomsdave

    doomsdave Thread Starter TCS Member Top Cat

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  15. Willowy

    Willowy TCS Member Top Cat

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    "It's not an ideological thing. . .Do you think the first vote they're going to cast is to reelect the entire 80-year-old team? When you put it that way, you start laughing."

    I agree with that. The leadership should not all be so old. The median age in the US is around 38, and while I know that politicians are going to skew older, you gotta even it up a little.

    Nancy Pelosi is 78. Older than Bernie Sanders. Old enough to be my grandma. I mean. . .just no. She's had her time; now it's somebody else's turn.
     
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  16. doomsdave

    doomsdave Thread Starter TCS Member Top Cat

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    If not Nancy then who?
     

  17. Willowy

    Willowy TCS Member Top Cat

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    I don't know, lol. Somebody younger, with more of an idea of what life is like for most people.
     

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