Introducing A Non-aggressive Third Cat To Aggressive Resident Cat

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Hi! Hoping to get some insight into this specific cat introduction. I've read and re-read the articles but I'm kind of paralyzed on next steps.

Cast of characters (all are spayed/neutered):
  • Marple: ~5yo DSH female torby. Cares mostly about food, very patient and tolerant. Will hiss if she feels like her boundaries are being pushed but rarely lashes out; prefers to run and hide until whatever bugs her has passed. We've had her for about 3 years.
  • Radish: 1.5yo DMH male brown mackerel tabby. EXTREMELY needy, very active, loves to play. Kind of more dog-like in his behaviors. If we don't tire him out first, his favorite toy is Marple (she doesn't mind chasing, but she despises wrestling). We've had him since he was 2 months old.
  • ʻUlu: 8.5 month old DMH male orange tabby. Reportedly trapped alone in early August in an urban location with known cat colonies. Stub tail. He is a lover, not a fighter, and absolutely sweet once he came out of his shell. I've never been the recipient of such frequent head butts until him. We've had him for about 6 weeks. He was neutered around August 5. He's been secluded in the spare bedroom since we brought him home.
We got ʻUlu as a potential playmate for Radish--and everything is fine from ʻUlu's end. We've done scent swapping, closed door interactions, territory swapping, and visual encounters. They've been eating on opposite sides of the closed door without objection for about three weeks. ʻUlu relatively quickly made it apparent that he really wants to meet Marple and Radish (and he was initially pretty shy with my husband and me, so I guess he must have had cat acquaintances before)--he will make a beeline for the crack in the door when he sees them outside and try to get around me. He's been very calm around them. He becomes cautious if Radish growls and will retreat like he's getting ready to hide, but is otherwise calm.

Marple does not care as long as she has food. She'll zero in on food and ignore everything else (not ideal, but workable) and generally prefers to be left alone. Radish, unfortunately, is the slow adjuster in the equation. He is such a sweet and loving boy around humans, even total strangers, but he does not like seeing ʻUlu at all. Radish has made progress, but we seem to be a bit stuck. Radish used to growl just after smelling ʻUlu, but he hasn't done that for a month now. When we did territory swapping, Radish explored and then went to sleep. We had one negative incident a few weeks ago where Radish jumped the baby gate we had up for visual encounter purposes and went after ʻUlu, growling and trying to slap him. ʻUlu was very shaken by that and hid for about a week after, but has since gone back to normal. We've let Radish and ʻUlu play footsie with each other under the door for the past week, and Radish seems to like that. He's been clicker trained for tricks and stuff, so this past weekend I had the door open with my body blocking the crack and did tricks with Radish outside. Radish was glancing over at ʻUlu but it took a good 5-10 minutes for him to get tense and growl. Then, last night, I carried ʻUlu out into the hallway and let Radish see him. Radish looked up and seemed intrigued but showed no signs of aggression whatsoever--tail up, following me around, pupils relaxed.

So I will admit that after last night I got cocky and left the bedroom door open a crack this morning while I was scooping ʻUlu's litterbox and changing his water. Radish shouldered his way in and went right for ʻUlu, growling and trying to slap him. ʻUlu ducked right into his favorite hiding/nap spot right away (one of those particle board shoe shelves) and I grabbed a towel and used it to block Radish's access to ʻUlu and herd Radish out. Radish went, but he was growling the whole way out. He did try to get around the towel once but seemed to be deterred pretty easily. ʻUlu did not seem as traumatized as he was the last time Radish had a go at him--he came right out of his shoeshelf once Radish was out of the room and rubbed up on me purring.

So we've had two Feliway Multicats plugged in for almost 30 days, and we've got good sized pieces of those scented calming Sentry collars zip-tied to both Radish and ʻUlu's breakaway collars. My husband suggested that Radish may be jealous of how much time I spend with ʻUlu, so I've been making an effort to play more with Radish and not spend as long of a time with ʻUlu, but I admit I am not consistent (especially because I feel like I have to spend time with ʻUlu because of his seclusion). So now, six weeks in, it seems we've got a new cat who seems to be a good fit for temperament, and who is a total sweetheart on top of that; and a young resident cat who is adjusting poorly to visual sighting of the new cat. It's weird because Radish seems fine unless he actually sees ʻUlu on level ground. I was wondering if maybe Radish was reacting poorly to residual hormones since ʻUlu was neutered in early August (and his pee definitely smelled like he had hormones going), but I think they should have run their course by now. Radish and ʻUlu are also very close in size (Radish is fluffy but on the small side for a boy--taller than Marple but they weigh about the same, and I think ʻUlu may be taller than Radish already), so I am also wondering if Radish feels uncomfortable with ʻUlu's size. Introducing Radish to Marple just hasn't been a comparable experience since Marple is relatively easy going and Radish was just a tiny kitten at the time.

Should I go back to feeding them on opposite sides of the baby gate for a couple more weeks? How do I know when Radish is ready? I know patience is key and I don't want to rush Radish, but I do wish ʻUlu could come out; he has grown to love to play and I heard him crying in his own way behind the door yesterday (he meows very rarely; he mostly communicates with cute little burbling trills, and the burbly crying noise he was making was just so sad to hear). He is also getting a little chubby, probably from being cooped up in his room (I go in to give him a good play session after work and try to play at least twice a day on weekends, but that and my husband's own visits still aren't making up for not being able to wander around the house at his leisure). Someone has suggested it might be time to just leave the door open, but ʻUlu is truly a sweet boy who hasn't shown any aggression or willingness to defend himself, and I would hate to inflict Radish on him when he just doesn't want to fight. Any thoughts on what might be a good next step are welcome!

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Radish, the problem child

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Marple, does not care

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Sweet ʻUlu, and his favorite toy
 

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ʻUlu did not seem as traumatized as he was the last time Radish had a go at him--he came right out of his shoeshelf once Radish was out of the room and rubbed up on me purring.
this is a huge thing.
I was thinking about leaving the door open at first too, but you're right, 'Ulu isn't ready.

I think try the baby gate feeding for a bit longer. I don't know a good way to test Radish in a couple weeks, --you may need to just see how things go. Radish is just being a top cat in the heirarchy and defending his territory, and at some point they'll have to work that out.
 
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this is a huge thing.
I was thinking about leaving the door open at first too, but you're right, 'Ulu isn't ready.

I think try the baby gate feeding for a bit longer. I don't know a good way to test Radish in a couple weeks, --you may need to just see how things go. Radish is just being a top cat in the heirarchy and defending his territory, and at some point they'll have to work that out.
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Radish the problem child actually didn't do too bad, he didn't attack Ulu.
That is huge, yes you have some work but it looks ok so far.
I have a problem child too! kinda looks like Radish too!
maybe they're related!:lol:

hmm, can ulu and Marple get together first?
 
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Radish the problem child actually didn't do too bad, he didn't attack Ulu.
That is huge, yes you have some work but it looks ok so far.
I have a problem child too! kinda looks like Radish too!
maybe they're related!:lol:

hmm, can ulu and Marple get together first?
Thanks! Radish definitely seems to be putting on a show--like that first time he went for ʻUlu, he stopped right in front of him and growled and slapped at him (it looks ridiculous when he does it...like a puffball jabbing a twig into the air) but wasn't making contact. It sounded pretty bad so I reacted right away, but it was easy to break up and no one got hurt. And the second time on Monday, I did intervene pretty quickly again but I don't think Radish was trying to hurt ʻUlu. He wasn't trying to dive into the cubby or anything, just growling and waving his twig--er, paw--right outside. So it does seem to be more of a "learn your place" type of front rather than a genuine attack, but at the same time I don't want ʻUlu to be traumatized or something, especially since he was so timid to start with.

Marple gets fed outside Ulu's door with Radish, so they've "met" about the same amount of time that way (except Marple doesn't growl or really react to ʻUlu at all). She knows he's there because she's seen him during baby gate feedings, but she doesn't seem to care. That's consistent for her, though--like if Radish hadn't gone chasing after her when we introduced them, she probably would have just continued existing and kept her distance.

Do you have a picture of your boy? :)
 
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:lol:

koff koff (clears throat)

Sorry, Radish

:lol:
:lol: he is a funny little ball of fluff! It's hard to take him seriously sometimes. I think I'll always see the tiny kitten when I look at him, but he definitely can growl up a storm nowadays...
 

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Have you tried playing with Radish in the room while Ulu is there? That's how we first introduced our resident kitty to our new cat. We opened the safe room door and then tried distracting her with play.
 

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Here is my problem child (at the bottom) Walli is Feral at the top
Walli looks fat in this pic but in her defense she is not!!!! :lol:
 
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Have you tried playing with Radish in the room while Ulu is there? That's how we first introduced our resident kitty to our new cat. We opened the safe room door and then tried distracting her with play.
I haven't yet, because Radish keeps growling! That seems like a good way to break the ice, though. Radish and ʻUlu both love to play! I'll give it a try this weekend! Thank you!
 
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Here is my problem child (at the bottom) Walli is Feral at the top
Walli looks fat in this pic but in her defense she is not!!!! :lol:
They REALLY look alike! Wow! Also Walli is adorable--Marple looks fat at certain angles, too, but she isn't really, haha.
 
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Maybe Radish is not in for a fight, but to demonstrate dominance? Keep trying. All good looking cats!
I think you are right!

This morning Radish slipped in to ʻUlu's room again (I hadn't had my coffee yet) but he didn't try to go after ʻUlu right away, which I think is good. He went up to ʻUlu and stopped about a foot away and growled, then went and sat near ʻUlu's shoeshelf and sniffed it. ʻUlu was sitting somewhat in the middle of the room and didn't react when Radish came in and growled. He was just loafing.

I tried to click and reward Radish but Radish didn't seem to be into it. He took a bite of the treat but let it fall out of his mouth. He started staring very fixedly at ʻUlu. Then I tried playing with Radish, but Radish again was not interested--he just kept staring. ʻUlu was kind of interested in playing but I think Radish made him uneasy, so he eventually "hid" against the wall opposite from Radish and by his litterbox (I think if radish wasn't hanging out by the shoeshelf, ʻUlu would have gone back into there). Radish just sat there in caturanga (you know, like a loaf but crouched rather than tucked) staring. Eventually my husband came in with a different toy and Radish chased it out. Apparently the toys I was using weren't as alluring as a chewed up plastic nub.

I think this shows improvement, but I also think Radish was still trying to be dominant (staring) and he probably would have tried to have a go at ʻUlu if he had stayed in the room for any longer. He was very tense and ʻUlu was acting relaxed until Radish wouldn't stop staring at him. It's probably better that ʻUlu is not an ultra dominant personality because Radish would probably get beaten up, but I do kind of feel like he should feel OK defending himself like Marple does when Radish gets too annoying! But he would rather keep a safe distance, and that's fine while we work on getting Radish to adjust.

I've been doing baby gate feeding at night for the past couple of days and Radish is fine with that. He keeps eating instead of getting distracted by ʻUlu. But ʻUlu keeps his distance and is nervous about coming up to the gate where his food bowl is to eat unless I'm on his side of the gate. Unfortunately I think I have to stay on Radish's side for now because when I stay on ʻUlu's side, Radish gets tense or acts like he's going to jump the gate instead of eat. I'll see if my husband can sit with ʻUlu when they eat dinner tonight.
 
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OK, we had a setback! My husband was outside with Marple and Radish for baby gate feeding tonight and I was inside with ʻUlu. Radish was acting very uneasy. He eventually jumped the gate and went right for ʻUlu, and this time he smacked ʻUlu several times on the head. Poor ʻUlu just crouched and took it, didn't react at all. I herded Radish out (he was going between yowls and growls). ʻUlu went into his shoeshelf but came out right away and came to me once Radish was out and the door was closed. He is back to normal. Starting to wonder how ʻUlu would have survived if he was still on the street...

I think the lesson for today is if Radish is focusing more on ʻUlu than he is on eating, close the door and try again the next day. Radish wasn't feeling it tonight and I should have paid attention. But it does seem like ʻUlu feels safe around me, at least, and that's nice! Sigh...

ʻUlu's new nickname is Pootpoot. He definitely farts/does the anal gland thing/skunks when he's scared. :/ Poor guy.
 
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