Hills Prescription Diet Multi-benefit W/d

tandl

TCS Member
Thread starter
Young Cat
Joined
Aug 13, 2018
Messages
42
Purraise
57
Holy heck, in my house of very picky and frustrating eaters (seriously, trying to find healthy foods that all of my crew will eat has reduced me to tears more than once...) this stuff is crack. They literally line up at the bowls when they see the bag. All 5 of them!

The vet prescribed it for one of my cats who is probably the most finicky, seems to have a sensitive stomach (way more likely than any of them to vomit and/or have diarrhea...this is not a daily occurrence at all, he seems to go through phases and I have not yet been able to identify what causes them). But he is also a happy, playful guy who weighs the right amount and aside from his apparently finicky stomach, seems OK.

He is one of a set of 4 littermates and they are about 16 months old. Our 5th is a 5 month old kitten left over from a litter of foster kittens that we had recently -- we were able to adopt out the other 4 in pairs, but I really hate sending out a singleton into the world and since she was already used to me and our house....well, she's officially ours now.

Anyhow, the vet prescribed the Hills for the one cat, but said that the other 3 littermates could eat it as well. As you can imagine, it's hard to feed one cat a separate food and keep the others away if they all like it/want it. If it's a major illness and is absolutely necessary I would of course do it, but this doesn't seem like it's I desperately try (and have been trying) to keep the 4 older ones on wet food only, but they have different ideas. So Ive been on the search for the 'best' dry food to give them for one meal. When our one cat was prescribed this, it was right before we were leaving town, a lot was going on, and since it was the one food that all of them seemed to love, I have been letting them all eat it for about a month and a half now.

They currently get 3 wet food meals a day -- they only eat about half of a small can of wet food (if that) each at each feeding, which is why I do 3 a day. I have tried innumerable flavors, brands, types...and they defy my desire to feed them well. Sometimes they turn their noses up at the wet food altogether. I could fill an entire other post with my worries and woes and efforts at getting them to eat healthy (I thought if I started with 'the good stuff' when they were super young, they'd continue without problem...I didn't expect them to change their minds before they were even 8 months old and decide they didn't like what they had eaten happily before!) So, at the end of the day they each get 1/8 cup of the hills in their bowls, and as I said before, it's the most popular time of the day.

I have a perhaps irrational distrust of Hills -- perhaps irrational because I had one vet friend who thought it was crap, and that bias stands out in my mind. Looking at the ingredient list I'm surprised because there seems to be a lot in there that I thought I was supposed to be avoiding -- brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken meal, wheat gluten, powdered cellulose, chicken, whole grain corn, whole grain wheat....those are the first ingredients. There's also soybean oil a few more down the list.

I really started really looking at it because 1) life has calmed down from a busy end of summer and I feel like I can resume my exhaustive search to get these guys to buy in to my wet food only -- save for the new kitten who makes things tricky because I feel like I do have to offer her dry food during the day bc she really doesn't eat enough wet food at meal times for a growing kitten. She eats a kitten dry food -- she'll get a few bites of the Hills with the rest of the gang just to be a part of the group, but she certainly isn't getting 1/8 cup.

and 2) one of the older cats has started having bad blackheads on his chin and his cheeks. This isn't new, but they have gotten worse. I posted about this in the general forum -- the vet gave me some wipes but they aren't helping, and nothing I tried at home before that with gentle cleaning etc. helped either. The timing doesn't correspond exactly with when the Hills arrived at this house, but it isn't entirely opposite. The vet wondered about some allergy, so that got me thinking about what might be in this crack food. For wet food they really eat (or are offered, rather) a variety of brands and types, so it didn't make sense that any of that food would have all of a sudden triggered an allergy. And I don't know for sure that it is an allergy...but the vet throwing that out there as a possibility made me 'remember' that this dry food is the only semi-new variable in their eating.

Anyhow...a very long explanation, but wanted to get feedback as to whether or not this stuff really is junk and I need to ditch it, or if my biased view is indeed silly and it's a perfectly fine food to give in small amounts.

The cat it was originally prescribed for tolerates it well -- it hasn't completely cleared up any tummy issues, but they aren't terrible. I wouldn't be opposed to taking it away and seeing if it really helped if the experts on here feel that it's junk and not good nutrition.
 

mrsgreenjeens

Every Life Should Have Nine Cats
Staff Member
Advisor
Joined
Aug 13, 2009
Messages
16,441
Purraise
7,221
Location
Arizona
Well, the best food out there is no good if your cats won't eat it, so if they all like this, I would say let them eat it for now and continue your search for something better, including trying to get them eating more wet. That's just my opinion, but again, they have to eat, so whatever you can get them to eat is good IMHO.

I don't like any foods with wheat gluten, corn, soy, etc., but admit that I have a couple in my wet food rotation, simply because every once in awhile I want to give my guys something that THEY feel is a treat, and they seem to really like those (Fancy Feast Medleys) But they get them few and far between.

As far as the one who is getting Feline Acne (possibly), what kind of dishes are you using? If plastic, you might want to switch them out, including the water dishes. Also, you might want to make sure you are washing them with hot soapy water after every meal.

Since the sensitive tummy cat isn't really better on this new food, could it be that he is eating too fast? That can cause regurgitation, but not diarrhea. I'd say if he does still have occasional diarrhea, then you should probably look at foods with very little carbs, and if possible, no gums as thickeners. Those are hard to come by, but we have a couple of threads about them. Here's one: Wet Food Without Carrageenan Or Guar Gum

BTW, my cats have always eaten different foods. They just don't have the same tastes. So I feed them out of different bowls in different rooms. This only works because they have scheduled meal times. As you said, with a new kitten, they might not work right now, but as he grows, you might be able to achieve the same thing in your house rather than trying to find something they ALL like.
 

LTS3

TCS Member
Veteran
Joined
Aug 29, 2014
Messages
19,209
Purraise
19,695
Location
USA
brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken meal, wheat gluten, powdered cellulose, chicken, whole grain corn, whole grain wheat....those are the first ingredients. There's also soybean oil a few more down the list.
A lot of junk ingredients:eviltongue:

For the sensitive tummy cat, you can feed a novel protein limited ingredient type food. There are many commercial brands:

BLUE Basics® Limited Ingredient Cat Food | Blue Buffalo
Limited Ingredient Diet - Grain Free Cat | Merrick Pet Care
Cat Food - Limited Ingredient Diet - Kohapet
Instinct Limited Ingredient Diet | Instinct Pet Food
RAWZ | 100% Rendered Free Cat Food

Does the vet know the cause of the sensitive tummy? Food sensitivity / intolerance? Gastrointestinal issue? Hairballs?
 

lisahe

TCS Member
Top Cat
Joined
Mar 23, 2014
Messages
6,170
Purraise
5,007
Location
Maine
Does the vet know the cause of the sensitive tummy? Food sensitivity / intolerance? Gastrointestinal issue? Hairballs?
Yes, this is the crux of the matter. I wouldn't want to feed that Hill's food -- corn and wheat aren't exactly a cat's natural diet -- and if, for example, hairballs are the problem, that food would be especially worthless. It sounds like the problem has only lessened (rather than stopping) after starting with the Hill's, is that right?

As for figuring things out, a food diary can be really helpful. One of our cats was vomiting far more than ever this summer. Keeping an incident log ;) helped me realize that the problem was most likely the agar-agar contained in a couple new foods. I'd kept away from agar-agar for years but broke down and tried it after doing more reading -- it is now gone for good because even our cat who never barfs barfed at least twice after it was introduced! I'm can't be certain it was just the agar-agar that was causing the frequent vomiter's problem because there'd been another food change, too, so (long story short!) I started adding fish oil and more egg yolk to the cats' homemade food. (Egg yolk can help prevent hairballs from forming; Edwina had a few small hairballs, too.) Edwina's gone eight days now without throwing up -- this is her longest barfless stretch in two months. Egg yolk and fish oil are good for cats anyway so I'm more than happy to keep including them in the homemade food.

I didn't mean to write so much but I guess my points are that a) keeping a diary can be helpful and b) just about any ingredient can cause a cat to vomit even if it's not fed often. The two cats ate (between them) no more than nine ounces of food with agar-agar in any given week. And the total amount of cans (of any size) consumed over three or four months couldn't have been more than around 12. It doesn't always take much of an ingredient to really irritate a cat's digestive system. This is why it's best to look for the simplest possible recipes when trying to figure out what's causing a cat's digestive problems.

Good luck!
 

MissClouseau

TCS Member
Top Cat
Joined
Feb 20, 2019
Messages
1,733
Purraise
2,127
Location
Istanbul, Turkey
I have a perhaps irrational distrust of Hills -- perhaps irrational because I had one vet friend who thought it was crap, and that bias stands out in my mind.
Look my own cat eats a grain-free food from a different brand and every Hill's food I tried actually caused irritation over her food intolerances. And I have my own questions/worries about commercial cat foods. With that said, if Hill's was so terrible, how come there are so many customers in different countries whose cats live long lives with Hill's? My brother's now senior outdoor-indoor cat being one. He's very allergic and has been on Hill's z/d for a decade now. He had UTI once when they were moving to a different country from stress and that was literally the only major health issue he experienced. If a food is "such an evil, death sentence" there simply cannot be millions of alive creatures who get fed with it only and still make it to senior age.

Not to say that would be the best choice for your cat - every cat and situation is different. But I don't think they are sooooo much more controversial than the others. With raw diet, there is risk of not providing a balance diet or food poisoning (not every raw meat around the world is same amount of safe!) Like with every option you will hear some bad experiences, and some good ones. At least with popular brands you get lots of feedback.
 

Purr-fect

TCS Member
Top Cat
Joined
Apr 20, 2017
Messages
1,843
Purraise
5,568
We were feeding hill prescription CD to our female cat (with vets approval) because our male cat got urinary tract crystals. Hard to stop them from eating each others food.

Our female developed advanced diabetes.

I was surpried to see the ingredients of the hill prescription CD were high in grains and carb. The food was just as expensive as high quality grain free food.

We switched her to a quality grain free food. Our little girl went from literally at deaths door to improving and living another year. Even her fur improved.

I latter learnt that hills "prescription" diet CD wasnt prescription at all.....that was just its name.

We thought we were doing the right thing for our cats by feeding her this food. It was only available thru a vet, was approved by our vet and was quite expensive.

I dont touch that brand anymore and always carefully read the ingredients now.
 

Talien

TCS Member
Top Cat
Joined
Oct 10, 2018
Messages
2,650
Purraise
5,132
Location
Michigan
I have a perhaps irrational distrust of Hills -- perhaps irrational because I had one vet friend who thought it was crap, and that bias stands out in my mind. Looking at the ingredient list I'm surprised because there seems to be a lot in there that I thought I was supposed to be avoiding -- brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken meal, wheat gluten, powdered cellulose, chicken, whole grain corn, whole grain wheat....those are the first ingredients. There's also soybean oil a few more down the list.
That's because it is crap. Most prescription foods are on par with the almost but not quite bottom of the barrel foods like Friskies and Meow Mix.

It can be a challenge to find a good quality food that all of your Cats will eat, but if money isn't too much of a concern you could try the high end canned foods like Instinct, Tiki Cat (moreso the after dark), or Dr. Elsey's.

There's also raw if you aren't opposed to it.
 

bitkit

TCS Member
Adult Cat
Joined
Aug 7, 2019
Messages
137
Purraise
64
I posted on your other thread regarding acne, one other thing besides being absolutely sure the toilets are covered is I changed to an all wet Friskies diet. I was feeding higher priced dry and wet foods but then a thought popped into my goofy head to go a different route. All my cats seem to love it and they seem to have more energy.
 

Purr-fect

TCS Member
Top Cat
Joined
Apr 20, 2017
Messages
1,843
Purraise
5,568
If I may ask, how old was she? And was she overweight? I don’t know much about diabetes that’s why I ask.
I think she was about 16 when we learnt she had diabetes. She was not overweight and weighed about 8lbs (normal for her). We noticed a problem when she started drinking excessively.

The hill prescription diet may not have caued her diabetes, but it is a high carb, high grain food and my readings on the Internet says this diet can cause diabetes.

I also know that when we switched her food to grain free, her health improved. I wondered how long she would have lived if we had always fed her the high quality grain free.

I felt a bit betrayed by hills. I thought we were giving her high quality food, it was only available thru the vet clinic, it was expensive, it was vet approved and it said PRESCRIPTION DIET.
 

MissClouseau

TCS Member
Top Cat
Joined
Feb 20, 2019
Messages
1,733
Purraise
2,127
Location
Istanbul, Turkey
I think she was about 16 when we learnt she had diabetes. She was not overweight and weighed about 8lbs (normal for her). We noticed a problem when she started drinking excessively.

The hill prescription diet may not have caued her diabetes, but it is a high carb, high grain food and my readings on the Internet says this diet can cause diabetes.

I also know that when we switched her food to grain free, her health improved. I wondered how long she would have lived if we had always fed her the high quality grain free.

I felt a bit betrayed by hills. I thought we were giving her high quality food, it was only available thru the vet clinic, it was expensive, it was vet approved and it said PRESCRIPTION DIET.
Thanks for the response. And I’m really sorry for your loss :rbheart:
 

mani

Moderator and fervent feline fan
Staff Member
Moderator
Joined
Feb 28, 2012
Messages
46,711
Purraise
23,477
Location
Australia
MOD NOTE: Quite a few posts have been removed from this thread as they were taking it off-topic. Please try to just address the specific question asked by T tandl ;)
 
Top