Yet Another Thread About A Kitten Not Using The Litter Box ^-_-^

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Hi everyone,

I got a 12 week old (now 13 week old) Ragamuffin from a reputable breeder 5 days ago. I kept him shut in my room for the first day. This resulted in 2 pee spots on my bed and a diarrhea explosion on my mattress (I was very tired after a night of meowing and forgot to replace my bedding when I stripped it for laundering, so it went right on that mattress). I moved him to the bathroom, where he still is 4 days later. He’s getting more curious and wants to explore the house, but we can only take him out if we’re going to watch him like a hawk because he is on a mission to pee and poo on anything but a litter box. It’s getting exhausting for everyone because he wants to be out exploring and we want his company, but I’m not willing to let him go potty all over my home.

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I was using a corner litterbox with the cover removed and unscented World’s Best Cat Litter, and he refused to use it. Before and after moving him to the bathroom I did the usual—placing him in the box after meals or when he was sniffing around and praising/petting, never getting upset at accidents, moving poop into the box.

When he still opted to pee on the bathroom floor instead of use the box I got a disposable litter box with the clay litter that comes with it and put that in the bathroom, too. (Two boxes to choose from)

I put the cover on the cover box.

I contacted the breeder and bought the same kind of litter she uses and replaced the World’s Best litter with it.

I then replaced the clay litter.

I rushed him to the vet after 2 days of no pee or poo and they confirmed that he is, in fact, quite healthy, has no worms, and must be peeing *somewhere* since he’s eating and drinking like there’s no tomorrow and his bladder wasn’t full. However he was FULL of poo (but not constipated) because he just refuses to go. I gave him some wet food and, lo and behold, another poo-splosion happened that night. He peed in the disposable litter pan and pooped *around* the outside of the corner litter box. I thought he’d at least turned a corner with peeing in the box! (He hadn’t).

That one pee was the only time in 5 days he’s used a litter box in my home, and it was at the very very edge of the box like he hated to get his paws in the litter. Every other time he’s peed on the floor.

He’s obviously uncomfortable and holding it as long as possible, because he woke me up this morning meowing loudly from the bathroom, then rushed from the bathroom into my bedroom, jumped into my laundry basket with folded clothes in it and squatted. I scooped him up gently and put him in the litter box he *has* peed in and petted and praised him. He ran out of the box, into my room, and jumped back into the laundry basket. I gently picked him up, grabbed the litter box, and stuck it in the laundry basket on top of my clothes (I’m getting desperate). He tried to find enough space *around* it to squat. I kept putting him in the box and petting and baby talking him, so (with very annoyed sideways ears) he jumped out of the laundry basket, ran into his crinkly play tubes, and hurried and peed a giant puddle as I peeked in after him and muttered “You better not be peeing in your play tunnel”. *face palm*

This morning when I left for work he was obviously sniffing around and looking for a place to poop, and looking at me and meowing pitifully. I just want him to be able to go to the bathroom in a predictable, comfy spot. Does he just hate the texture of litter? His breeder says he didn’t have a problem in her home, but also that he grew up under her guest bed and didn’t get as much socialization as she usually would do. He’s very sweet and social, follows us around, is starting to respond to his name, and jumps in my lap and climbs up on my shoulder where he flops over it and purrs in my ear. So, he’s not hiding or fearful. He doesn’t mind deep boxes (like a laundry basket) or no boxes (like the floor). He doesn’t need cover, but also seems okay with it. I don’t have any other cats for him to compete against or be fearful of. He doesn’t seem to be marking because he really seems to hold it as long as possible (plus he’s too young for that I assume) and he’s not sick.

I wonder if he developed a bad habit of relieving himself on cloth in his previous home? Or if he’s just still adjusting to being an only kitten in a new world? I’m not sure, but it’s so frustrating for all of us! Any suggestions would be helpful.
 

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Hi!
What if you give him one of the items he's peed on in a litter box?
I think there's a litter called Kitten Attract that could also help.
Also you could consider getting a decent black light (members have advised to check reviews) and double checking. Hang in there!
 

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Hello! So, you have the litter that the breeder claims your kitten used in both of your boxes? Are either of the boxes the same type that the breeder used? If not, get one of those as well.

Also, try puppy pee pads in a litterbox, to see if he might prefer the softness over the litter you are using. Once he is consistently going in a litter box, you can gradually transition from the pads to actual litter.

I would suspect the breeder may not realize that he wasn't using the litter box, especially if there were multiple cats involved. So, this has probably been going on before you got him and perhaps he is really not litter box trained at all. I am attaching a few TCS articles (see links below) about litter box issues and training in case there is anything in them that might help you.

Getting rid of smells where he has peed/pooped outside the box is essential in aiding the process of getting him to use the litterboxes. As Furballsmom Furballsmom said above, buying a decent black light will help you detect places on the floor/etc. that have not been cleaned thoroughly enough and he keeps going back to those same places. Enzymatic cleaners will be needed to have any chance of removing residual odors.

And, in addition to taking an item/small piece of fabric/etc. that he has peed on and placing it in the litter boxes, by all means place a little bit of poop inside them as well.

The Litterbox: What Every Cat Owner Needs To Know
The 10 Most Common Litterbox Mistakes Cat Owners Make
How To Train Kittens To Use The Litter Box
 

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Have you only tried clay litter? Maybe he doesn't like the texture and needs a different material.
 
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Have you only tried clay litter? Maybe he doesn't like the texture and needs a different material.
I have tried the corn-based World's Best Cat Litter, the clay litter that came with the disposable litter box, and now both of them have the unscented Tidy Cat LightWeight in them (which the breeder used). I'll go out and guy others tonight!
 
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Hello! So, you have the litter that the breeder claims your kitten used in both of your boxes? Are either of the boxes the same type that the breeder used? If not, get one of those as well.

Also, try puppy pee pads in a litterbox, to see if he might prefer the softness over the litter you are using. Once he is consistently going in a litter box, you can gradually transition from the pads to actual litter.

I would suspect the breeder may not realize that he wasn't using the litter box, especially if there were multiple cats involved. So, this has probably been going on before you got him and perhaps he is really not litter box trained at all. I am attaching a few TCS articles (see links below) about litter box issues and training in case there is anything in them that might help you.

Getting rid of smells where he has peed/pooped outside the box is essential in aiding the process of getting him to use the litterboxes. As Furballsmom Furballsmom said above, buying a decent black light will help you detect places on the floor/etc. that have not been cleaned thoroughly enough and he keeps going back to those same places. Enzymatic cleaners will be needed to have any chance of removing residual odors.

And, in addition to taking an item/small piece of fabric/etc. that he has peed on and placing it in the litter boxes, by all means place a little bit of poop inside them as well.

The Litterbox: What Every Cat Owner Needs To Know
The 10 Most Common Litterbox Mistakes Cat Owners Make
How To Train Kittens To Use The Litter Box

Thank you for the recommendations. I've reached out to the breeder for info on her litter boxes. I've also read those articles and plan to tackle this problem on all cylinders this weekend. Different boxes, a couple new types of litter, puppy pee pads, etc. Since I don't yet have puppy pads I put paper towels down around the places he usually goes potty this morning before leaving to work. He seemed receptive to standing and sniffing on them, so we'll see if he'll use the paper towels. As long as I can get him to reliably associate ONE THING with potty time, I don't particularly care what at this point, I'll be able to move it into a litter box and go from there. Maybe I'll line my laundry basket with pee pads!

I've ordered a black light and I have two different enzymatic cleaners. Once has a nice light scent but it doesn't get rid of cat smell (Biokleen Bac-Out). The other is *heavily* scented and it makes me nauseated (Nature's Miracle--but not the one specific to cats, because my local hardware store didn't have it). Do you have suggestions for an effective enzymatic cleaner?
 
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Hi!
What if you give him one of the items he's peed on in a litter box?
I think there's a litter called Kitten Attract that could also help.
Also you could consider getting a decent black light (members have advised to check reviews) and double checking. Hang in there!
I'm going to try to locate something small or destroyable that he's peed on so I can get it in a litter box, thanks for the suggestion! Also I'll grab some Cat Attract litter this weekend when I'm collecting my litter smorgasbord. :)
Make sure you check out previous responses from Furballsmom Furballsmom - and me too - just in case additional idea/suggestions might help!!!
I'll be sure to do that!
 

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For carpeting you can buy "The Equalizer" which can be ordered from several web sites. It does not require saturating the material, hence a shorter drying time. For other surfaces, a couple of members on this site have said they have success with Fizzion and SCOE10x - and both can be used on wood as well. While I did not find Nature's Miracle (for cats) to be very effective, there are members who use it religiously.

And, maybe this TCS article will help regarding clothing and linens.

How To Get Cat Pee Smell Out Of Clothes And Linens
 
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How high are the edges of the litter boxes you have? They should be as low as possible for kittens
One is very deep with a cut out on one side. The other is on the shallow side of average. I did start him off with the deep box, which is my bad. However he has started using the deep box if I line it with paper towels! He's not into puppy pads or litter, but I can work with this. :)

For carpeting you can buy "The Equalizer" which can be ordered from several web sites. It does not require saturating the material, hence a shorter drying time. For other surfaces, a couple of members on this site have said they have success with Fizzion and SCOE10x - and both can be used on wood as well. While I did not find Nature's Miracle (for cats) to be very effective, there are members who use it religiously.

And, maybe this TCS article will help regarding clothing and linens.

How To Get Cat Pee Smell Out Of Clothes And Linens
I went on a cleaner buying spree. He started using the litter boxes if I put paper towels in them (and I'm adding a tiny bit of litter to the side so he can start making that association). We've started letting him out of the bathroom to play under strict supervision and returning him to his litter boxes on a schedule. So far we haven't witnessed any accidents, but the black light and cleaner can't get here soon enough for my peace of mind. :) Thanks for the tips!
 
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Well, I hit my mattress with baking soda, Biokleen, then Nature's Miracle Urine Eliminator (Rocco & Roxie's and Odorklenz are still in the mail!), and now I need to know how to get the awful overpowering smell of Nature's Miracle out of stuff. :lol: I also used it on Banana's cushions that he tracked poo onto, so now I need to eliminate the perfume from those so it doesn't knock his poor sensitive nose for a loop. Yikes.

Also, he's starting to resist being locked in the bathroom, and I'm wondering how long it's humane to force him to stay confined in a single room for many hours per day. How long can litter box re-training take in your experience? He wants to be around us, but I'm still very hesitant to let him free roam since he's only reliably using ONE litter box even though there are 1-2 litter pans with the magic combo of fresh paper towels + one corner of a pee-soaked paper towel + a small amount of litter in every room of the house he has access to. We do let him stay out of the bathroom as long as there's either someone to watch him constantly or if he's willing to just sleep in plain sight on the cat tree or in one of his cubbies. Otherwise we lock him in the bathroom. :( This was fine for the first few days after we got him, but it's been a week and he wants to be free!

My current plan is to transition him to my bedroom during the day, which is obviously larger than our tiny bathroom. I'll get the Nature's Miracle smell out of my mattress then totally cover my bed with a shower curtain and wrap my pillows in plastic, I guess? :sigh: Then I'll just need to do a nightly sweep with the black light to make sure he's not doing secret pees when he's in there alone. I can't have him keep me awake all night with his meowing, though, so he may need to spend nights in the bathroom until he can settle at night. I also don't know if I can stand sleeping under a shower curtain tbh. I thought of buying a large covered play pen to keep in my room, but 1. I'm out of money, 2. That's not going to stop him from meowing and keeping me up and night, 3. I don't know that having me in the same room but inaccessible to him is really going to be much better for him psychologically than having me in a different room. But if it would be, I'd be willing to figure out how to beg, borrow, or steal a cat play pen for him to sleep in at night.

So right now, I need to know 1. if you have any recommendations for quickly getting rid of the overpowering perfume scent of Nature's Miracle for Urine, and 2. How long this might take before he's got the litter box message, and 3. Is our poor cat going to be traumatized if he has to spend ~9 hours/night in a small bathroom and much of his days in a bedroom for the duration of litter box training? If so, what can I do to make his life a good one as we get through this?
 

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Hi. What one litter box is he reliably using? Just curious if you should be replicating that one to replace the others he doesn't seem to want to use. Maybe he will use them all if they are all the same?

As far as Nature's Miracle, the only suggestion I have to try to remove that perfume-y smell is baking soda and white vinegar solution in water.

Letting him out to play with you and be with you when you can watch him like a hawk is the best way to make him feel less traumatized. If you are going to expand his territory to your bedroom, that should help as well. You can also spend time with him in his confined areas as well - just so he knows that he is not always alone when being confined.

It hasn't been very long since you started this process, so until you can get him to start using at least one or more of the boxes reliably, he will still need to be confined when he is alone.

I would try replicating the one box he is using, or move that one from location to location as he is moved from location to location to see what happens.
 
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Hi. What one litter box is he reliably using? Just curious if you should be replicating that one to replace the others he doesn't seem to want to use. Maybe he will use them all if they are all the same?

As far as Nature's Miracle, the only suggestion I have to try to remove that perfume-y smell is baking soda and white vinegar solution in water.

Letting him out to play with you and be with you when you can watch him like a hawk is the best way to make him feel less traumatized. If you are going to expand his territory to your bedroom, that should help as well. You can also spend time with him in his confined areas as well - just so he knows that he is not always alone when being confined.

It hasn't been very long since you started this process, so until you can get him to start using at least one or more of the boxes reliably, he will still need to be confined when he is alone.

I would try replicating the one box he is using, or move that one from location to location as he is moved from location to location to see what happens.
I'll try the baking soda + vinegar solution tonight.

He only uses the Nature Miracle corner cat box with the cover removed. I'll move it room to room to see if he'll still use it. If so, I'll buy some more.

Thanks for your feedback. I am spending quality time with him in the bathroom, and I hope the expanded territory in my bedroom will help. I'll just keep at it and try to be patient!
 
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Update: We have a puppy pad convert! He started using the litter box lined with a puppy pad that I set up in the corner of our living room. I've already seen him seek out two different litter boxes a total of four times today. Also, last night I used my new blacklight to check my mattress and bedroom for dried pee, and I didn't find any places I missed. Phew. He's also transitioned from a majority kibble diet to almost 100% grain-free wet food, and he's pooping normally. :) Soon he'll start the move to 100% raw. He's playing and socializing well, and he's been able to spend all day with us in the main part of the house. I think we're going to be okay! :yess:

Hopefully this all means we'll just be reinforcing good habits and slowly transitioning to litter!
 

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You can try adding a small (handful) of Cat attract litter on top of one of the pads, to get him used to litter. I would try keeping one open litter box filled with cat attract litter to see if he will start using the box regularly.
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