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Would like to know if anyone has had a great experience with this cbd. I bought the cbd treats to give to my cat and I don't know why I stopped her medication and started these. Maybe I shouldn't of done that, because she started with her problems again. She has pancreatis. I would like any feedback from anyone that has had good results with this that has a cat that has a similar problem. Thanks
 

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It's never a good idea to stop meds without veterinary advice, especially with illnesses like pancreatitis. The first thing I'd do is go back to your vet for advice on how best to re-start your girl's meds. Ask them about CBD oil too - some vets have a fair bit of knowledge about it.

I can't stress strongly enough, though, the importance of going back to your vet, today if possible, to get advice on re-starting pancreatitis meds. Once that is stable again, you can look at trying CBD oil, but PLEASE check with your vet first. I never start with any kind of supplement/herbal remedy without running it by my vet first, especially if prescription medications are involved.
 
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I'd also say to go back to your vet and restart the medications. Something like CBD oil should be a conversation with your vet but most vets aren't allowed to talk about it. You can check with your vet and see if they are able or willing.

I did a lot of research before starting CBD oil and am careful to get high quality full spectrum oil. I also live in a state where it is legal to use the oil from marijuana though so it is easier to find good high quality products. My usage is for arthritis so I can't speak to it's effectiveness or dosage for your situation.
 
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I'd also say to go back to your vet and restart the medications. Something like CBD oil should be a conversation with your vet but most vets aren't allowed to talk about it. You can check with your vet and see if they are able or willing.

I did a lot of research before starting CBD oil and am careful to get high quality full spectrum oil. I also live in a state where it is legal to use the oil from marijuana though so it is easier to find good high quality products. My usage is for arthritis so I can't speak to it's effectiveness or dosage for your situation.
It's never a good idea to stop meds without veterinary advice, especially with illnesses like pancreatitis. The first thing I'd do is go back to your vet for advice on how best to re-start your girl's meds. Ask them about CBD oil too - some vets have a fair bit of knowledge about it.

As far as CBD oil itself goes, I know Kieka Kieka uses it for one of her cats, and I think betsygee betsygee does too. They might have more specific information for you.

I can't stress strongly enough, though, the importance of going back to your vet, today if possible, to get advice on re-starting pancreatitis meds. Once that is stable again, you can look at trying CBD oil, but PLEASE check with your vet first. I never start with any kind of supplement/herbal remedy without running it by my vet first, especially if prescription medications are involved.
Here is what actually happened. I had talked to the vet about this when it all started. She said maybe she wouldn't need the medicine all the time or even not at all. I had lowered the dosage and we were doing that. She gets sick when she eats dry food or to many treats. Then one day somehow she had gotten the lid off of some food. Not sure if I didn't put it on tight or she knocked it off the shelf and the lid came off. Well when I got up in the morning she was sitting in the door way of the bathroom as calm as could be. That is where I feed my other cat when I go in there. There was food all over the place, so she ate until she couldn't eat anymore. Her stomach was blotted, then the diarrhea and vomiting started. So I gave her some chicken for a while to calm her stomach down and then we started her medicine. She is doing well. I do have to make a vet appointment soon because we will be out of medicine and she had gone to a emergency vet, that's where she got this medicine and they want me to find another vet. Not necessary to bring her back to the emergency unless there is a big problem. So this is what actually happened to start the issue again. She does well if she doesn't get dry food and to many treats. Some times its hard when you have two other cats. I keep all dry away from her an she was only getting the cbd treats, which was 2 every 4 hours, she only got 4 a day. And I had just started the cbd treats. Then this happened. So I am looking for a place to get the cbd oil that is chicken flavored. Where I ordered the treats they only had a plain kind. Not sure if she would like that. She won't eat anything that taste funny. I won't buy it till I talk to the vet anyhow but would like to be ready to go when the time comes. I want to get the inflammation under control.
 

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It sounds like hemp CBD oil, you do want to be careful about source and quality. I haven't heard of a chicken flavored one but I do know some companies use salmon oil for the base.
 
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It sounds like hemp CBD oil, you do want to be careful about source and quality. I haven't heard of a chicken flavored one but I do know some companies use salmon oil for the base.
On this cat site someone showed a bottle of chicken. I had e-mailed them but they didn't respond back. If I can find it again, I will send it to you to see what you think. Do you have a place you feel secure about, could you let me know what that is. I responded back and forth with this company and finally did buy the cbd treats. I did feel secure but who's to say, he could of fed me a bunch of bull. They legalized marijuana where I live also. But I didn't think that is what we are talking about. That's for people and have to go threw a doctor. I looking for cbd for animals that is good quality. If you could give me that information or tell me how to go about it I would appreciate it. The only other thing I can think to do is go to a holistic vet.
 

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I don't know much about hemp CBD oil, which is the one you can buy online. I do know that hemp based CBD oil is not always full spectrum so it may not have the full medicinal value of marijuana based CBD oil. It also can come from overseas sources and contain chemicals from growing it; which is what causes problems for some people. I get mine at a dispensary; it conforms to the same requirements as human marketed product but uses olive oil and a 20:1 ratio. Here you don't need a doctors note so I am able to go in a purchase it without any note from a doctor. Laws in your area may be different so a vet may be able to give you a prescription.
 

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Pet store or online CBD can really be any old snake oil that is sourced from industrial hemp and doesn’t contain any THC (or less than 0.3%.). It may have an unknown amount of CBD or none at all. It could even be in a carrier that could cause your cat harm like alcohol or coconut oil (coconut or MCT carriers give my cat the runs.). You can buy responsible pet formulations of medical CBD at a dispensary that must conform to the same quality and testing standards as human medical CBD because it’s sourced from the same plants. If you have the option of buying from a dispensary in your state, use it.

That said, while CBD by itself has a wide range of safety, it does get metabolized by the liver in a common pathway with other drugs including the pain reliever, Buprenex (buprenorphine.). If your cat is using that, you should exercise extreme caution with CBD so as not to overmedicate your cat. If your cat is tolerating bupe well, go with that. It’s stronger pain relief than CBD.

If you decide to try CBD oil, go low and slow. Start with half the dose and space the doses out by at least 12 hours until you can determine how your cat will tolerate it and if there are any interactions with existing medication. You will likely have to go beyond the conservative dosage on the bottle for tougher conditions like pancreatitis, but you must take it slowly especially if your cat is taking other medication.

But one of the real risks of using CBD instead of prescribed medication is delaying treatment and possibly making the condition worse because you’re certain that you’ll get the dose right “soon” and CBD will work for you “soon” when relief “now” can be had with a more proven treatment.
 
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I don't know much about hemp CBD oil, which is the one you can buy online. I do know that hemp based CBD oil is not always full spectrum so it may not have the full medicinal value of marijuana based CBD oil. It also can come from overseas sources and contain chemicals from growing it; which is what causes problems for some people. I get mine at a dispensary; it conforms to the same requirements as human marketed product but uses olive oil and a 20:1 ratio. Here you don't need a doctors note so I am able to go in a purchase it without any note from a doctor. Laws in your area may be different so a vet may be able to give you a prescription.
Thanks for that information. I know you need a prescription here to use it for humans. I have a question about this dispensary. I know marijuana was made legal for people that needed it for health reason. But where you live does everyone just walk in and get some?
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Pet store or online CBD can really be any old snake oil that is sourced from industrial hemp and doesn’t contain any THC (or less than 0.3%.). It may have an unknown amount of CBD or none at all. It could even be in a carrier that could cause your cat harm like alcohol or coconut oil (coconut or MCT carriers give my cat the runs.). You can buy responsible pet formulations of medical CBD at a dispensary that must conform to the same quality and testing standards as human medical CBD because it’s sourced from the same plants. If you have the option of buying from a dispensary in your state, use it.

That said, while CBD by itself has a wide range of safety, it does get metabolized by the liver in a common pathway with other drugs including the pain reliever, Buprenex (buprenorphine.). If your cat is using that, you should exercise extreme caution with CBD so as not to overmedicate your cat. If your cat is tolerating bupe well, go with that. It’s stronger pain relief than CBD.

If you decide to try CBD oil, go low and slow. Start with half the dose and space the doses out by at least 12 hours until you can determine how your cat will tolerate it and if there are any interactions with existing medication. You will likely have to go beyond the conservative dosage on the bottle for tougher conditions like pancreatitis, but you must take it slowly especially if your cat is taking other medication.

But one of the real risks of using CBD instead of prescribed medication is delaying treatment and possibly making the condition worse because you’re certain that you’ll get the dose right “soon” and CBD will work for you “soon” when relief “now” can be had with a more proven treatment.
She is taking cerenia and prednisolone. Does a doctor have to prescribe this to get from a dispensary for an animal? I don't know much about this pancreatitis, I've read a lot about it and still don't understand it. My vet had said I am reading about the wrong pancreatitis. She said she has chronic pancreatitis, and she can do well on the medication, even if it is long term. Because I questioned her being on this medication for a long time. She seems to do well as long as she doesn't get dry food or to many treats. Then there isn't any vomiting and diarrhea. I had even cut her dosage in half and she was doing ok. On August 24 I started her on the cbd treats. She was ok with that. What happened was she knocked over a bowl of food and the lid came off and she must of had a field day. Her belly was blotted. It didn't take long she started vomiting and the diarrhea. I waited for her to get most of it out of her and then gave her some chicken, and started the medication. Cats are hard to read if there is anything wrong. They play and everything, and you think they are great. She does have to go back to a vet, I just have to find one. I'm not happy with to many vets. All they want to do is push medicines. Animals can't take all the medications. But anyhow I will call a vet and see about this cbd stuff. I also wanted to tell you I had many conversations with the person where I purchased the cbd treats. He said that it was grown in Iowa (I think that was the state, but anyhow it was in the us). Then it is send to California and made there. So I thought that was safe.
 

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know marijuana was made legal for people that needed it for health reason. But where you live does everyone just walk in and get some?
Yes, California is one of the states where it is legal for recreational use. There are regulations around it's purchase and usage but anyone over 21 with valid ID can purchase it.
 

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Pet store or online CBD can really be any old snake oil that is sourced from industrial hemp and doesn’t contain any THC (or less than 0.3%.). It may have an unknown amount of CBD or none at all. It could even be in a carrier that could cause your cat harm like alcohol or coconut oil (coconut or MCT carriers give my cat the runs.). You can buy responsible pet formulations of medical CBD at a dispensary that must conform to the same quality and testing standards as human medical CBD because it’s sourced from the same plants. If you have the option of buying from a dispensary in your state, use it.

That said, while CBD by itself has a wide range of safety, it does get metabolized by the liver in a common pathway with other drugs including the pain reliever, Buprenex (buprenorphine.). If your cat is using that, you should exercise extreme caution with CBD so as not to overmedicate your cat. If your cat is tolerating bupe well, go with that. It’s stronger pain relief than CBD.

If you decide to try CBD oil, go low and slow. Start with half the dose and space the doses out by at least 12 hours until you can determine how your cat will tolerate it and if there are any interactions with existing medication. You will likely have to go beyond the conservative dosage on the bottle for tougher conditions like pancreatitis, but you must take it slowly especially if your cat is taking other medication.

But one of the real risks of using CBD instead of prescribed medication is delaying treatment and possibly making the condition worse because you’re certain that you’ll get the dose right “soon” and CBD will work for you “soon” when relief “now” can be had with a more proven treatment.
What state are you in? Every state's medical marijuana system is different. Some are more draconian than others in that their list of approved conditions is rather strict, and the products allowed to be sold in the dispensaries may likewise be limited. Because it's still illegal at the federal level, transporting product across state lines, even between legal states, is still illegal. This makes the products available in each state different because very few marijuana companies want to start over in a different state. They can't grow in one state to sell in another. Even if they kept their grows separate, they couldn't send it to one state for refining and bring it back to the other for sale. So from seed to sale, they would have to duplicate everything in-state. Very few companies are doing this. VetCBD is only available in CA.

This CBD question keeps coming up in the forums. I'll research a few online brands to see which are closest to VetCBD.

For your cat specifically, if she tolerates Cerenia well, keep her on that. It has antiinflammatory action specifically for pancreatitis. CBD can still be useful as anti-nausea/anti-emetic (and it may have anti-inflammatory action) but you'd have to experiment with your cat to find the right dose. And if your cat isn't throwing up or having obvious post-meal distress, you may never really know if the CBD is helping.
 
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Even if they kept their grows separate, they couldn't send it to one state for refining and bring it back to the other for sale. So from seed to sale, they would have to duplicate everything in-state.

The person I have been e-mailing back and forth about the cbd, (was he telling me wrong information). He said it grew in Iowa, (not sure if I have the right state but I'm pretty sure and then he said it is sent to California to be made. Is this correct? I live in Pa. My cat is on prednisolone and cerenia. I was told that the prednisolone would make her vomit so that is why she is on the cerenia. Is this correct? What really is pancreatitis? And what are we trying to cure or help. This is just so confusing to me, so I don't know how I am trying to help my cat.
 

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The person I have been e-mailing back and forth about the cbd, (was he telling me wrong information). He said it grew in Iowa, (not sure if I have the right state but I'm pretty sure and then he said it is sent to California to be made. Is this correct?
He is talking about industrial hemp CBD oil. While some people have success with this product it is NOT the same as the CBD oil you hear humans using for medical purposes with a medical card. It is less effective and in some cases can be harmful (usually through manufacturing and growing process). I would be highly skeptical of a sales person from a hemp CBD oil company as their job is to sale you the product. I know I talked to a customer service at one of them and he made wild claims about effectiveness and kept glossing over when I asked detailed questions. There are some humans who use hemp CBD oil with success but it tends to be roll on, baths, and other non-injestible usage.

From everything you've said, I would strongly encourage you to sit down with your vet and discuss your cats illness. It sounds like you need a good primary care vet and they would be your touch point to ask specific questions. Do not use herbal, homeopathic or other options to treat your cat at this time until you have a better understanding of short term and long term treatment goals. If it becomes chronic CBD oil may help but at this point I'd stick with traditional medication.
 
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Even if they kept their grows separate, they couldn't send it to one state for refining and bring it back to the other for sale. So from seed to sale, they would have to duplicate everything in-state.

The person I have been e-mailing back and forth about the cbd, (was he telling me wrong information). He said it grew in Iowa, (not sure if I have the right state but I'm pretty sure and then he said it is sent to California to be made. Is this correct? I live in Pa. My cat is on prednisolone and cerenia. I was told that the prednisolone would make her vomit so that is why she is on the cerenia. Is this correct? What really is pancreatitis? And what are we trying to cure or help. This is just so confusing to me, so I don't know how I am trying to help my cat.
Our hemp comes from Colorado and is grown through the Colorado Department of Agriculture’s hemp pilot program. The 2014 Farm Bill was recently signed into law by our former US President Obama. Section 7606 of the bill establishes the legal cultivation and marketing of hemp on US soil through the state’s Agricultural Department. This is just what I read, sorry it wasn't Iowa.
 

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More information on pancreatitis:
Pancreatitis – IBDKitties

I would recommend against using CBD oil until you understand what you’re up against and what the prescription options are and their side effects. These are all questions for your vet. Make sure you understand what pancreatitis is and how it’s treated before you go off-roading with an unproven treatment.
 
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He is talking about industrial hemp CBD oil. While some people have success with this product it is NOT the same as the CBD oil you hear humans using for medical purposes with a medical card. It is less effective and in some cases can be harmful (usually through manufacturing and growing process). I would be highly skeptical of a sales person from a hemp CBD oil company as their job is to sale you the product. I know I talked to a customer service at one of them and he made wild claims about effectiveness and kept glossing over when I asked detailed questions. There are some humans who use hemp CBD oil with success but it tends to be roll on, baths, and other non-injestible usage.

From everything you've said, I would strongly encourage you to sit down with your vet and discuss your cats illness. It sounds like you need a good primary care vet and they would be your touch point to ask specific questions. Do not use herbal, homeopathic or other options to treat your cat at this time until you have a better understanding of short term and long term treatment goals. If it becomes chronic CBD oil may help but at this point I'd stick with traditional medication.
I do have to get her a vet appointment within the next month or two, so I will discuss this with them. I just need a vet that has the interest in saving my cat. They just seem to throw this medicine at you and not tell me what is really going on. Ok chronic pancreatitis, so what is that really, what does it do to her body, and can it be cured. They do want to run her threw another test to find out what is causing the pancreatitis, but money is an issue. The cost of these test are unreal.
 

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Here's another one that's more accessible.
Pancreatitis In Your Cat

Pancreatitis is serious and left untreated it can lead to diabetes and EPI (not enough digestive juices for your cat to absorb nutrition from food.)

Acute pancreatitis might come out of nowhere and go away forever if treated properly from the start depending on what caused it (ingested something or exposed to something?)

Chronic pancreatitis means something is causing stress on the pancreas, causing it to inflame, repeatedly. You have to figure out what that something is and treat that or you're just bailing water out of a sinking boat. Plug the hole first! That something could be IBD or liver disease or renal failure or any combination of those. And unfortunately, those tests can get expensive.

But here's the other thing. Your cat is already on steroids (prednisilone) which is already treating inflammation. If your vet wants an ultrasound to determine what else is inflamed, you would need to discontinue the steroids. Likely your vet decided it was more important to start an anti-inflammatory protocol than postpone for a more concrete diagnosis. If you told him, "I can't see you that frequently and afford that many tests," then he probably said, "okay, here's steroids and anti-emetic. We're shooting in the dark. Good luck!"

But long-term steroid use is not without its own risks and complications as well. Thus you should really get clear with your vet what's been ruled out and what hasn't been ruled out, what tests he wants to run to rule in or rule out underlying conditions, and if the current drug protocol is still appropriate. Is your cat maintaining her weight, can she gain weight? If so, you could probably refuse the tests for cancer. If the ultrasound said inflammation of the small intestine, you can probably skip the biopsy and go straight to IBD treatment (which you're pretty much already doing with pred.) But if he hasn't ruled out kidney or liver disease, then steroids alone is likely not going to do it.
You really need to know what's causing the pancreatitis to treat it effectively.
 
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Here's another one that's more accessible.
Pancreatitis In Your Cat

Pancreatitis is serious and left untreated it can lead to diabetes and EPI (not enough digestive juices for your cat to absorb nutrition from food.)

Acute pancreatitis might come out of nowhere and go away forever if treated properly from the start depending on what caused it (ingested something or exposed to something?)

Chronic pancreatitis means something is causing stress on the pancreas, causing it to inflame, repeatedly. You have to figure out what that something is and treat that or you're just bailing water out of a sinking boat. Plug the hole first! That something could be IBD or liver disease or renal failure or any combination of those. And unfortunately, those tests can get expensive.

But here's the other thing. Your cat is already on steroids (prednisilone) which is already treating inflammation. If your vet wants an ultrasound to determine what else is inflamed, you would need to discontinue the steroids. Likely your vet decided it was more important to start an anti-inflammatory protocol than postpone for a more concrete diagnosis. If you told him, "I can't see you that frequently and afford that many tests," then he probably said, "okay, here's steroids and anti-emetic. We're shooting in the dark. Good luck!"

But long-term steroid use is not without its own risks and complications as well. Thus you should really get clear with your vet what's been ruled out and what hasn't been ruled out, what tests he wants to run to rule in or rule out underlying conditions, and if the current drug protocol is still appropriate. Is your cat maintaining her weight, can she gain weight? If so, you could probably refuse the tests for cancer. If the ultrasound said inflammation of the small intestine, you can probably skip the biopsy and go straight to IBD treatment (which you're pretty much already doing with pred.) But if he hasn't ruled out kidney or liver disease, then steroids alone is likely not going to do it.
You really need to know what's causing the pancreatitis to treat it effectively.
When we went to the vets she was down to around 6 pounds. Now she weights between 8- 8-1/2. So when you talk about the test for cancer, do you mean if she had that she wouldn't be able to gain weight? We did the GI panel and that's where it showed pancreatitis. She said she thought it was chronic pancreatitis because it had been going on for a while. But until I figured out what was causing it then I realized she can't eat dry food. But she also recommended CT scan, ultrasound. I needed time to think, so we did start her on her medication. And why I get mad is because they tell me about a test and then we do it and then they say well it doesn't really tell me all I need to know. Then why didn't we do the one we need in the first place. Because they can get more money out of me. That's when I really have second thoughts on some of these vets. The first vet told me she had a food allergy. If I would of listened to her then my cat would of been dead by now. So we did blood work there first. Then I took her to the emergency vet. So I get so flustered. That's why I am trying to do my best and help her on my own, plus I will take her to the vet to get her medications. Anyone that has a cat knows if they don't want to eat something they don't, they will starve there selves. And she also told me the medicines has virtually no side effects.
 

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When we went to the vets she was down to around 6 pounds. Now she weights between 8- 8-1/2. So when you talk about the test for cancer, do you mean if she had that she wouldn't be able to gain weight? We did the GI panel and that's where it showed pancreatitis. She said she thought it was chronic pancreatitis because it had been going on for a while. But until I figured out what was causing it then I realized she can't eat dry food. But she also recommended CT scan, ultrasound. I needed time to think, so we did start her on her medication. And why I get mad is because they tell me about a test and then we do it and then they say well it doesn't really tell me all I need to know. Then why didn't we do the one we need in the first place. Because they can get more money out of me. That's when I really have second thoughts on some of these vets. The first vet told me she had a food allergy. If I would of listened to her then my cat would of been dead by now. So we did blood work there first. Then I took her to the emergency vet. So I get so flustered. That's why I am trying to do my best and help her on my own, plus I will take her to the vet to get her medications. Anyone that has a cat knows if they don't want to eat something they don't, they will starve there selves. And she also told me the medicines has virtually no side effects.
I stopped with Krista after the ultrasound. Once they found her gut was inflamed, it didn't much matter to me whether it was cancer or IBD because both treatments benefit from getting the inflammation under control. I figured rather than put her through the stress of an endoscopy and biopsy (which itself has limits and may come back inconclusive), I'd start the IBD therapy. If that didn't work, if she continued to lose weight, then I'd go back for the endoscopy and biopsy.

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So what did the blood work say? What have they ruled out? What do they have yet to rule out? What are they trying to rule in? Did the vet mention whether her kidney or liver function have been compromised?

It sounds like she had IBS/IBD or a food allergy. Was she vomiting or had diarrhea when she was losing weight before you brought her in? The chronic inflammation from that could have led to the pancreas inflammation. What symptoms did she have and what does she still have?

An ultrasound could be useful to see what else is inflamed. But you would have to stop the pred. You'd have to ask the vet how and when to do that, because it's my impression that you can't just stop the pred but rather you would need a wind-down schedule. I'm not sure what the vet would be looking for in CT scan.

I understand and share your frustration with vets and inconclusive tests and elusive diagnoses. She did you a favor by starting the pred because that started a treatment that multiple illnesses can benefit from. But, you'll be upset if there is an underlying illness that doesn't respond to steroids or if the steroid treatment is only masking something that really needs a different course.

You should be able to find a vet locally or online (via Skype) that can request a copy of the records from your other vet and do a second opinion review. You'd likely have to pay for an office visit, but you shouldn't feel pressured to take any course of action because you're just asking for them to review what's been done, and help you understand where you might go from here.
 
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