Can't Tame Feral...i Am Near Tears...need Advice

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What a precious, handsome boy Tommy is!! So you live in an apartment, too, where it can be extra challenging while trying to feed ferals outdoors - dogs, nosy neighbors, etc. The fact that he was yowling once inside must have been really difficult! My girl never yowled once, with the exception of the two minutes it took to transport her from outdoors to her Safe Room. :eek:

It is definitely easier with kittens, no doubt, but I still don't think it is easy for anyone trying to get their feral acclimated to the inside. :runaround:

That is a great idea about trying to pet her with a toy first. I have been using treats to get my hand near her, but when I try to pet her, she skittishly backs away, clearly afraid. I will try to start touching her paw with her toy like you did with Tommy! :ruminating:
Thank you, Tommy is very handsome & charming - he knows what buttons to press to get what he wants!
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The yowling was a very difficult time and I'm not allowed cats in my apartment on top of that! It became quite the behaviour problem with him & went from him wanting to be outside and calming once I sat with him to him then realising he gets all the attention he wants by acting that way! (& if he saw Maggie my other cat outside he would be uncontrollable) During that month I would sleep during the day if I could when Maggie was on " babysitting duties" (she sleeps in the house at this time) and at night I would have to sit next to him try and calm him. It really was like having a newborn and it really tested Tommy and I, out of pure sleep deprivation.
Though I'm happy to report he is a good boy now, some tough love after it became purely a behavioural issue and getting a inside only playmate of similar age, Luna helped alot too, though he will sometimes still cry if Maggie is out there (& she is a lot more now, that's a new drama in the household!)

They are very smart and sometimes if he saw the toy and felt touching would just looking at his paw and jump back. Though he had a favourote toy, a little catnip mouse that & I would also use the end of the wand toys, the stick part!

What has helped on my life & the kitties is being on mood stabilisers/calming treats & supplements. They have done wonders helping each of my felines with their personal anxieties & they are all natural too. They make Tommy much more calm even now and allow alot of progress and less step backs!

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Oh my, I glad everything worked out! Wow, I can't imagine bringing in a feral when they don't allow any cats! I exceed the limit I am supposed to have, but the complex does allow them. That must have been incredibly tough for you. Plus, it is always harder in an apartment, worrying about getting "caught", noise, etc. :gingercat2:

I have not had any luck with "natural" stuff. However, prescription meds have worked great! Her brother has some behavioral issues and gabapentin has really calmed him.

I am wondering if maybe my little feral should get some valium or something? Perhaps I should ask the vet. At 6 weeks, she has not come out of her room, although there are some positive signs. :coolcat:
 

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My vet said butterscotch Prozac works very well with cats in terms of anxiety plus they like the flavour! Of course valium may help - it definitely helps me when I can't get out my room!
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I use the VitaRapid tranquil daily for cats it is fast acting and has
Chamomile and B-Group Vitamin Complex. It's to maintain emotional balance & calmness! Apart from catnip the dried kind and actually growing the stuff, that's the only '''natural" things I have tried for my little maniacs :)

The poor little girl must just not like change very much either, though from the sounds of it there has been so many breakthroughs & much progress! I look forward to hearing about more!
Yeah getting "caught" is always a lite stressful & more so about the status and the cultural opinion of feral cats in Australia, it was a real shock for me at first when moving here. Luckily most of my neighbours have cats so my outside ones don't get a second glance ... Apart from when Maggie defends her territory... In theirs :devilcat2:
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Thank you for the suggestions, def worth a try! I have tried Feliway and calming chews with zero change noted. Gabapentin zonks her out where she can be picked up (had to give her that to take her to the vet), but I still felt like she was scared - just too zonked to protest.

I just want a little something to take "the edge" off for her so she will venture out into the living room, but not zonk her out.

I won't have a 2-bedroom apartment for long, so I want her to get used to mingling in the living area with her brother and sisters.
 

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how did you give her the gabapentin? just curious for the next time Walli
needs to go to the vet.
 
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how did you give her the gabapentin? just curious for the next time Walli
needs to go to the vet.
It is a powder in a capsule - I broke it open and put it in 1 tbsp of food. Don't use too much food because then he might not get all of the medicine. They are 100 mg capsules.

It takes about 2 hours to take full effect.

You will need a script, but I can't imagine the vet not giving you some to ease his anxiety before a vet visit.
 
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She is acting scared today - this ebb and flo, it is normal, right? Maybe she just had a bad night?

When I put my hand in to give her a treat she cowers and runs to the back of her playpen. I tried a few times. I will just leave her be for now. I even tried dipping her toy in catnip (she usually loves catnip) and she backed up, as if scared.
 

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Remember when working with feral cats it's often one step forward and one or more steps back. This is completely normal. Something might have frightened her. Most of the time you will never know. Just continue acting normal. Sometimes they freak themselves out when they realize they are allowing a human into their lives! It is usually short lived. Just keep trying to move forward.
 
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Thank you! Okay, I won't worry too much about it, in that case. Yes, it did seem odd, as she had been getting pretty close to my hand for treats, now it is as if I am a stranger. They are so mysterious, our precious cats....:lovecat:
 

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I have experience this too, One time Walli let me play with her a little and it's like she caught herself, if she could speak she would of said "what am I doing"?
Your doing great!
I wish I could speak cat, that would solve a lot of problems :lol:
 
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I guess if she could speak she would say,

"I am scared, but I like that thing you call air conditioning and I like having my food put in front of me. But you are getting too close and I need more time. My siblings seem cool, but I still need more time. Can you bring some squirrels inside for me to chase?" :runningcat:
 

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Despite Tommy now being one of the cuddliest & warmest little chaps, he will still have days he cowers from my hand. He has alaways (& still does) cower if I am holding anything larger than a face towel, especially towels or boxes (Sadly it seems like he experienced a traumatic experience before I knew him).

My little one has his "odd" days too, sometimes the cause is easy to pinpoint other days quite impossible! Even now Tommy has his days, or hours when walking by too close will cause him to run under a table to glare at me! Sometimes he will walk over to me to get his favorite head scratch & flirt for some treats and will catch himself and quickly back away!
It is completely normal with our feral felines & as already said it's one step forward two steps back. I usually just leave Tommy be until he is ready to instigate our next interaction (usually around the time his tummy rumbles).

I always found and still do find with Tommy there is a period when progress plateaus, then he suddenly starts to quickly fly past what I was previously expecting. It's the loveliest rollercoaster of all..
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I guess if she could speak she would say,

"I am scared, but I like that thing you call air conditioning and I like having my food put in front of me. But you are getting too close and I need more time. My siblings seem cool, but I still need more time. Can you bring some squirrels inside for me to chase?" :runningcat:
For Tommy it was cockroaches... & Eating them too!!

I think taking it at her pace is the way to go, these creatures will not be rushed! Though when shown patience they reward you with more love & appreciation than can ever be found elsewhere!
I had heard from a few people feral cats once well not so feral are more loving than cats from a more normal background - of course how factual that is, I don't know, though I have found it to be so true in Tommy's case xx
 
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You are so right about that! What may feel like progress to me, might be too fast for her taste.

I am so glad Tommy is doing well! :redheartpump:
 

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She is acting scared today - this ebb and flo, it is normal, right? Maybe she just had a bad night?

When I put my hand in to give her a treat she cowers and runs to the back of her playpen. I tried a few times. I will just leave her be for now. I even tried dipping her toy in catnip (she usually loves catnip) and she backed up, as if scared.
I agree. It’s normal...and frustrating. All kitties, but especially feral kitties seem to thrive with routines, but that doesn’t mean they don’t throw off the routine sometimes. I’m guessing if you keep acting as you have - putting your hand in to give her treats and catnip, she’ll get over whatever freaked her out pretty quickly. Keep us posted. We’re all rooting for you!
 
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Thank you! She did have a better day today. She and her brother "kissed" through the mesh of her playpen! Well, it wasn't an actual kiss, but they appeared to be rubbing noses. Then she rolled over on her side as if to show she was relaxed.

How can I get her to come venture out of her safe room? I leave the door open (when I am home), but she won't leave her playpen.
 

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Thank you! She did have a better day today. She and her brother "kissed" through the mesh of her playpen! Well, it wasn't an actual kiss, but they appeared to be rubbing noses. Then she rolled over on her side as if to show she was relaxed.

How can I get her to come venture out of her safe room? I leave the door open (when I am home), but she won't leave her playpen.
That's a good question. When I got Pixie, my first feral cat, she lived in our finished basement for the first few months until she got used to a litter box without dirt in it and got spayed and checked out by the vet. Even after I opened the door to the rest of the house, she stayed in the basement, except we would see signs of her exploring the rest of the house at night. But never during the daytime. Even after we started feeding her upstairs, she would wait until nighttime and then come up to eat. It was almost as if she thought we didn't want her to come upstairs. Finally, one day when she was upstairs, I closed the basement door. She cried pitifully and hid behind a box in our den. I almost gave in and let her back down there, but I didn't. After a while, she made our 2nd floor guest room her home for several weeks. She'd hide under the bed most of the day. I'd sleep in there occasionally and she'd hop up on the bed with me. She also had one of those track ball spinny toys that she loved to play with in there. After a while she started venturing into our bedroom and other parts of the house. She was my only cat at the time, but it was still a long process. It was 2 years before she stopped running away from opened closet doors. She was very afraid of anything new or different and had funny ideas about where she thought we didn't want her to go.

Things are harder with Charlie, my latest feral cat, because Pixie is really intimidating him. It's very passive intimidation because she just lays in the doorway or wherever she doesn't want him to go, but hisses and chases him if he tries to go outside of our den. He's a real fraidy cat and stays in his hidey hole under the bookcase in our den all day every day. I go visit him, talk to him and give him treats. He sits in the window of the den at night unless I put Pixie in the basement. Then he roams around the house at night. We were away last week and I put Pixie in the basement and Charlie upstairs, and our cat sitter said Charlie was usually in the window of the den or living room when she stopped by. Since we've been back, I've tried to keep them both upstairs at night, but Charlie won't leave the den because Pixie just lies there waiting for him to make a move. My friends and family tell me I should just let them work it out, but I feel bad for Charlie. I put Pixie in the basement last night and I'm going to do it again tonight. I feel like Charlie needs some exercise and to be able to walk around without fear. My hope is that if Charlie gets more familiar with the house and with us that he'll get braver with Pixie, but I don't know if that's the case.

I apologize for the long post, but if you're like me, hearing other people's stories about their feral cats helps. I think we can see similarities and differences that help us understand our cats better. I think your kitty, like Pixie, will just need lots of time. I'm not suggesting that you force her to come out, like I did with Pixie, because you have other cats. Do you feed her in her playpen? One thing I did with Pixie is leave her food farther and farther away to get her to move out of her safe zone.
 
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I would probably do exactly as you do with Charlie and Pixie. I, too, have a "passive intimidation" cat - she will lay down and block the path of her sibling. She will follow her around until she has left the room. Sometimes I feel badly for her sister, as you do Charlie, and I give the other one "time out" in another room so my shy girl can roam freely for awhile. :blackcat:

It sounds like even though it took awhile, Pixie and Charlie are doing quite well! I did "close off" her closet that she had been hiding in, just like you closed off the basement. If we didn't, they would never come out, I guess. :paperbag:

I do feed her in her playpen which is a bad idea, I guess. I will do as you suggest and start moving the food farther out a little bit at a time.

I am going to start leaving her door open at night, even when I am asleep. I think it is the only way she will start to come out and explore. :dancingblackcat:
 
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UPDATE: She did attempt to come out of her Safe Room last night. It didn't last long - she lost her nerve and ran back inside her playpen, but she tried! It was late - around midnight. :woo:

I was sleeping on the sofa nearby, and I heard her "chirping" (she makes these bird-like sounds), and there she was poking her head in the doorway, almost out into the hall.

Her brother was close by, I think she wanted to say hello to him. :hellosmiley:
 
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