Aw, so nice to see you! And GREAT to hear the hairball problem is resolved! 
Hope you have a great 2012 too!
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Raw Meat -Why you should not feed them raw stuff
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Thanks guys and Do be kind enough and let me know if There's any news / important stuff about cats!
One things bothering me real big time! What?: soon we will be moving back home( Canada) here we have a HUGE garden , trees, etc almost 1/2 an acre and i am petrified of how to manage Bianco! I need real help as to how to contain him so he does not wander off , we plan to build a fence about 6 Ft high, like a dog run -Our gardens , neighbors, run into each other , the only fencing we all have presently is the rear fences-
i need to get something that will not allow him to wander off, any ideas please?- Have heard of catios but not really sure if they would work- Anyways we have 6/7 months to go still before we get back,
so any ideas etc are welcome
Thanks a lot
One things bothering me real big time! What?: soon we will be moving back home( Canada) here we have a HUGE garden , trees, etc almost 1/2 an acre and i am petrified of how to manage Bianco! I need real help as to how to contain him so he does not wander off , we plan to build a fence about 6 Ft high, like a dog run -Our gardens , neighbors, run into each other , the only fencing we all have presently is the rear fences-
i need to get something that will not allow him to wander off, any ideas please?- Have heard of catios but not really sure if they would work- Anyways we have 6/7 months to go still before we get back,
Thanks a lot
Eeep! I got caught by an old-post trap! As you can tell, I'm new, and I forgot to look at dates as I browsed the posts. It's nice to find out the hairball problem is solved, Bianco. And thank you for the welcome, LDG!
People who feed exclusively raw come up with the same arguements all the time... "It's better for them" "It's what they would eat in the wild" "It's what they crave" "The good outweighs the bad"
First of all, cats have been domesticated over the past few 1000 years, what most people feeding raw to a cat do not acknowledge is that it's NOT something that would be on their normal menu if in the wild. A domestic cat could never bring down a whole cow! A chicken, maybe. But even that would be very dangerous and take some doing. So unless you are feeding them a bird or mice or some other rodent, it is not likely something they would hunt. It is very true that big cats eat immediately and so chances of bacteria are less. Even stuff they don't eat right away well scavengers get it most of the time. So unless you butchered the cow or chicken yourself and immediately gave it to your cat, it's going to have higher chances of contaminates.
My cats won't eat raw. And personally, I am glad they turn their noses up at it. But, I also acknowledge that the other side has their beliefs and facts too and it will be hard to convince them otherwise. To each his own, I guess.
First of all, cats have been domesticated over the past few 1000 years, what most people feeding raw to a cat do not acknowledge is that it's NOT something that would be on their normal menu if in the wild. A domestic cat could never bring down a whole cow! A chicken, maybe. But even that would be very dangerous and take some doing. So unless you are feeding them a bird or mice or some other rodent, it is not likely something they would hunt. It is very true that big cats eat immediately and so chances of bacteria are less. Even stuff they don't eat right away well scavengers get it most of the time. So unless you butchered the cow or chicken yourself and immediately gave it to your cat, it's going to have higher chances of contaminates.
My cats won't eat raw. And personally, I am glad they turn their noses up at it. But, I also acknowledge that the other side has their beliefs and facts too and it will be hard to convince them otherwise. To each his own, I guess.
Sure.... that's how I thought about it too..... For years.... I was against raw through and through. I had the same arguments you just posted - and then some. You can look through my posts. Auntie can tell you - and so can furryfriends50 - I gave them nasty hell. I thought their theory was crap - just like you do. Meanwhile..... My IBD cat Bugsy had some serious issues. He had diarrhea not for a month or 2 - but for One year and two months. On that time, I can not tell you the number of times we went to the vet, ended up on emergency rooms, medications we tried, procedures, tests, thousands of dollars I spent - yep , on the the top of his insurance, diets we tried, and how much he suffered. He suffered Every day. His liver was damaged so many drugs he took.
He was going to have a big surgery, as this was going to be his only chance..... exploratory surgery - big recovery time.... risk of dying.... huge amount of pain.... and in the end, I might not be able to treat him, because he wouldn't tolerate medicine anyways.
Against my will.... against everything I wanted - I owned to him to try everything - and one thing I hadn't tried was a raw diet.
Guess what? In five Days - not weeks, not months. Days - before even eating 100% raw, Bugsy had formed, perfectly firm poop.
So, I don't care about this "raw people say this or that or this other thing". Raw saved Bugsy's life, when nothing else would. And I can say, with 100% certainty in my heart, that I tried everything in this World. To see Bugsy now, thriving, showing no signs of pain.... Happy.... To know that he has no colic.... To know that the future of many many cats with unresolved IBD is lymphoma, and that could be his future...... and that he is doing Wonderful now....... with a change of diet...... Warms My heart.
It is not about theory. It is about feeding them what they are supposed to eat. Cats are carnivores - they are made to eat meat - that right there is the very bottom line. You open their mouths you see that. Their stomachs are made for that, their whole digestive system is of a carnivore. Sure, they are not killing a cow on the wild...... But you will Never see a cat eating a carrot stick either. They simply do not have what it takes to digest grains, vegetables, or anything besides meat.
Feed your cat meat only, and see how they thrive. Do the test, then talk about it.
I did it, and I am so so glad I took this step, because had it been later...... God only knows what might have happened to my baby boy :heart3:
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And how long exactly have cats been eating kibble again? I can't speak for anyone else but I raise my own mice for my animals, I buy whole rabbits and butcher them myself, I order other whole prey online (quail, guinea pigs, rats, etc). Venison comes from family hunters, I buy chicken/turkey/beef/pork at the grocery store for the most part but I can get beef and chicken straight from a local farm in the fall as well. Although I have to say I don't worry much about contaminates, my cat is a senior, but she's still a cat and perfectly capable of eating some bacteria with her meals, she got meat today leftover from my ferrets that sat out all night, they eat food that's sat around in their room long enough to turn into jerky, if neither of them wants it I offer it to the dogs.
Having seen her puke for years, looking and feeling terrible on vet sold kibble, you'll never convince me to feed that to a cat again. The differences have been amazing.
^ To the previous 2 posts, I feed my cats meat, too (Chicken, turkey, liver, tuna)... Cooked as they will not take it raw. I don't feed them kibble all the time. If I do, it's high grade stuff and not the cheapest stuff I can get. They love it cooked. They will not eat it raw. To each his own. And, it's all theories. Nothing can be certain and true for every cat because every cat has different needs. Some cannot handle or do not like an exclusively raw diet. It's no reason to jump all over someone because they don't feed their cat just as you feed yours. Maybe it doesn't work for them. That's all I am saying. I wasn't saying anyone's wrong. I've been on other cat forums that would preach and preach about raw and when anyone would say "Well my vet said not to feed my cat this because it makes them sick" or "They won't eat it"... The people would get all upset and offended and say things like "Your vet is an idiot! It's what they were made to eat and what they want and you must not be doing it right!" I am just saying- calm down we all do the best we can by our cats and if someone isn't like you and doesn't feed them raw, it doesn't make them wrong, either...
To each its own is right..... We will have to agree to disagree that cats won't eat meat - at some point they will - every single one of them, if you are persistent, yep, they will. I just transitioned a die hard kibble addicted who had never in her life eaten a drop of wet food, out of Purina.... She would throw up at the scent of wet, let alone raw - to her, that was disgusting. It took her one lick - one.... to pass on kibbles and don't look back. Sure.... It took 35days trying every single meal.... But we got there....
It is not a theory - it is a fact. Cats are obligate carnivores. Look it up anywhere.... You will not find it any different, anywhere.... because that is a fact. That means that they are strictly carnivores. The theory might lie if kibbles might be harmful or not, if canned might be harmful or not, so on and so forth. But there is not theory behind the simple fact that cats are obligate carnivores - that hasn't and won't change.
There is no theory behind what happened to Bugsy either - that is a fact.
Everyone has a choice of feeding whatever they want for their cats.... You do, and I do too..... Yep, some diets do work better than others..... Just like in human diets, if you eat mcdonalds every day, you will have a sub-par health..... the same applies to our babies.... It is all about giving them a clean diet. The thing about raw, it is just it - meat, which is what they digest better, and no additives, no chemicals, nothing.... nothing else. Think about taking all the additives from your own diet - think how much healthier you would be? How much better your body would work? It is not that hard to figure it out....
A clean, balanced diet, with easy to digest ingredients..... can only benefit any species.... Let that be a cat, a dog, a human.... That is the beauty of it....
There is much more you can look into it, including taking a deeper look into the pet industry in the US that might give you a different perspective.... I am not here to push anyone for a raw diet..... I am already feeding it, and frankly.... my babies already have the best, and ultimately, they are the ones who I really have in my heart..... :heart3:
But if you have the time, and the curiosity, take a look at these threads - it might open your eyes for a thing or two....
http://www.thecatsite.com/t/239691/nutritionally-complete-assurances-for-our-pet-food
http://www.thecatsite.com/t/240809/raw-feeding-resource-thread
Make sure to watch this video - sorry mods - it has been puled from youtube.....
[VIDEO]http://videos.videopress.com/DHZChjRu/pet-food_-a-dogs-breakfast_480p_fmt1.ogv[/VIDEO]
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What are you talking about? That is not what I said at all! I didn't say cats don't eat meat... I said that some will NOT eat raw meat. Cooked meat is still meat. I've read all the articles. No need to throw those in my face. I know both sides. You are just ranting about something I didn't even say. I was saying that RAW meat does not work for some... But it's no reason to get all offended because they don't agree with your point of view. Chill out, OK. You are going off in an entirely different direction. To that, I leave you guys with your crazed babble and bashing of those who don't feed RAW because of health reasons or their cats dislike it.To each its own is right..... We will have to agree to disagree that cats won't eat meat - at some point they will - every single one of them, if you are persistent, yep, they will. I just transitioned a die hard kibble addicted who had never in her life eaten a drop of wet food, out of Purina.... She would throw up at the scent of wet, let alone raw - to her, that was disgusting. It took her one lick - one.... to pass on kibbles and don't look back. Sure.... It took 35days trying every single meal.... But we got there....
It is not a theory - it is a fact. Cats are obligate carnivores. Look it up anywhere.... You will not find it any different, anywhere.... because that is a fact. That means that they are strictly carnivores. The theory might lie if kibbles might be harmful or not, if canned might be harmful or not, so on and so forth. But there is not theory behind the simple fact that cats are obligate carnivores - that hasn't and won't change.
There is no theory behind what happened to Bugsy either - that is a fact.
Everyone has a choice of feeding whatever they want for their cats.... You do, and I do too..... Yep, some diets do work better than others..... Just like in human diets, if you eat mcdonalds every day, you will have a sub-par health..... the same applies to our babies.... It is all about giving them a clean diet. The thing about raw, it is just it - meat, which is what they digest better, and no additives, no chemicals, nothing.... nothing else. Think about taking all the additives from your own diet - think how much healthier you would be? How much better your body would work? It is not that hard to figure it out....
A clean, balanced diet, with easy to digest ingredients..... can only benefit any species.... Let that be a cat, a dog, a human.... That is the beauty of it....
There is much more you can look into it, including taking a deeper look into the pet industry in the US that might give you a different perspective.... I am not here to push anyone for a raw diet..... I am already feeding it, and frankly.... my babies already have the best, and ultimately, they are the ones who I really have in my heart.....
But if you have the time, and the curiosity, take a look at these threads - it might open your eyes for a thing or two....
http://www.thecatsite.com/t/239691/nutritionally-complete-assurances-for-our-pet-food
http://www.thecatsite.com/t/240809/raw-feeding-resource-thread
Make sure to watch this video - sorry mods - it has been puled from youtube.....http://videos.videopress.com/DHZChjRu/pet-food_-a-dogs-breakfast_480p_fmt1.ogv
Likewise.
Just so you know, I have tried the raw diet many times... My cats do not take it. And I do know quite a few that have fed raw and their cats got sick and were told to not feed them raw anymore by a vet. I do commend anyone for doing the best by their babies. And even helping others do the same. But, it's not the only way. And if you can't see that well.. Some people cannot agree to disagree.
Yeah, so????
What is your point? You seem to be criticizing people in this forum for some reason I can't understand. You are the one who started this discussion apparently for no reason except to criticize our decision to feed raw.
If you don't want to feed raw, don't. No one is trying to force you to and no one in this forum cares whether you approve of our feeding raw or not.
I'm majorly confused, YOU came into the raw forum talking down the diet and how unsafe it is and how you are glad your cats don't eat it, but we are bashing you somehow? I could care less what you feed your cats, they are your cats, feed them how you like. Nobody forced you to come in this forum, nobody is forcing you to feed raw and nobody "bashed" or jumped all over you. We responded, because it's a forum and that's how forums work. I'm sorry if other forums pushed raw on you but why would you bring someone elses battle here?
You ARE in the raw-feeding forum of the site, where those of us feeding raw shouldn't have to defend our decision. Yet you're intentionally provoking response. The point is we're not "wrong" for our decision either.
Who's offended? I am so missing why you're so upset. We have no way of knowing you "know both sides." And she's hardly "throwing" anything "in your face." She's providing links to further information.
If you think we're about crazed babble, I'm not sure why you're posting in this forum. And no one's bashing - defending, maybe, but hardly bashing.
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Whatever.
I didn't start bashing anyone. The thread is don't feed raw. I put my opinion on here and it got completely twisted by someone else who turned it into things I didn't even say. I am not upset. It wasn't even between any of you. Just I and the other person who twisted it. Just forget it. Go back to my first post and really read it. I didn't bash anyone. I was the one who was bashed.
You say you shouldn't have to defend your decision to feed raw... I never said you did. I said that no one should have to defend their position either way. You all need to learn to really read what someone is saying and not just read what you think is there. Please really read my first post. It was not offensive to anyone. I will not be responding to anymore uninformed and hateful posts on this matter.
Oh and I am not the author. I was just responding to a heated discussion and trying to diffuse the situation.
You say you shouldn't have to defend your decision to feed raw... I never said you did. I said that no one should have to defend their position either way. You all need to learn to really read what someone is saying and not just read what you think is there. Please really read my first post. It was not offensive to anyone. I will not be responding to anymore uninformed and hateful posts on this matter.
Oh and I am not the author. I was just responding to a heated discussion and trying to diffuse the situation.
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The first four posts of the thread, from November:
Someone accidentally bumped the thread with ideas for the OP in addressing the hairball issue.
The OP passed along information from her vet. Raw feeders responded. :dk:
A three month old conversation. Hardly heated.
Someone accidentally bumped the thread with ideas for the OP in addressing the hairball issue.
The OP passed along information from her vet. Raw feeders responded. :dk:
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And these rules were put in place for the forum (they didn't exist when the OP started the thread) : http://www.thecatsite.com/t/238236/raw-meat-why-you-should-not-feed-them-raw-stuff/30
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And I guess we should have just reported your post and not replied.
Go ahead. I reported you. I didn't see the post date. I also didn't break any rules. The site is not for or against raw diet and I didn't offend anyone. I didn't attack anyone either.
Ok, stop with this nonsense! I really hope you are not implying that I bashed you? If you are how? Where? Also, care to say how did I ever Twisted things here?
What is going on here?
You were offensive to everyone here. You bashed raw feeders as a whole on your first post, that came out of the blue - there was NO situation to be diffused whatsoever - Bianco was here to thank everyone and to post a follow up.... Your post attacked raw feeders, what they stand for, and their attitudes in general - completely out of the blue - totally uncalled for; and after that you attacked me directly. Do you not see that?
You are trying to tell me that this is not offensive?
Right
First of all - LEARN that when we raw feeders ay MEAT, we mean RAW meat. I will not waste my precious time making you understand that I was giving you information, and not TWISTING things as you say. :doh3: I was not going in any other direction........ sorry I assumed that anyone would get that :doh3: Such a basic concept :doh3:
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