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I don't know whether my issue falls in the Behavior category, feel free to move if necessary, but here it is.

I started two previous threads on the issue, but they didn't go far.
My two kitties are always looking and prowling for food, and this behavior is accentuated during our own meals, when particularly Freya keeps sniffing, touching and trying to steal our food. Everytime, everyday. We have to eat while protecting our stuff in our dishes, pots, glasses, bottles, and so on, but we only have two hands each, and she's definitely quicker than we are. We can't go on eating this way!
When we aren't eating they are still on patrol in the house for food all the same, and sometimes they get in trouble, or even eat something (if left unattended) that they shouldn't.
Pushing Freya away, or putting her down, hissing, blowing, shouting at her, banging our hands on the table and every other means of dissuasion don't always work, and when they work they are short lived, or they end up with an insulted cat that refuses to stay with us later, when our meals are over and we're watching the TV or doing else. On one of the last occasions, Freya was offended for at least three days.

I asked the vet several times, but the answer has always been... silence, they don't even reply, they simply skirt the issue, like I had never said anything. Looking on the internet only returns a "bored cat" issue.
Someone questioned that I am feeding them too little food, but this is definitely not the case, since the young one, Freya (5 months old), is steadily growing (I weigh her every week, and she's regularly gaining weight), and the older one (19 months old) has taken over 300 grams of weight in the last 2 months, so this is definitely not real hunger.
It is just that they can't stop looking for food.
Lately my tolerance has gone close to zero, also due to external factors, and sometimes I overreact when they get too insistent and annoying, and this does not help because I feel the relationship between me and them might be affected.

I'm at my wit's end, and I am afraid of many years like this... :(
I have had two cats for 17 years, not a single problem like this with them, and I also fostered a few kittens, but this is really unseen before in my house.
Any advice?
 
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I can imagine how frustrated you must be feeling. Can you feed them the same time as you eat?
I feed them 8 times a day, 7:30 am to midnight, and I'm trying to be consistent with the time, with wet and dry food. I also feed them the same time as we eat, but they finish their food in approx 50 seconds! They have finished their food and licked their dishes clean long before I can sit at the table :lol:
I also have to feed them in two different rooms, because they would compete!

I had thought of it, but then it could become an obsession, they would fight to get each other's kibbles, and I'm sure Freya would be able to pry it open to get all the content in one time. Moreover, more food means more weight, and this is something I am trying to correct, Giada, the older one, is getting a bit too... round...

All blood tests and fecal tests are fine, it doesn't seem a health problem either.
 

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It sounds as if it has become a habit. I wonder if it would help if you reduced the number of times you feed them but increased the amount of food eachh meal so overall they were getting the same quantity daily. If they eat bigger meals maybe they would feel full and stop nagging.
 
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It sounds as if it has become a habit. I wonder if it would help if you reduced the number of times you feed them but increased the amount of food eachh meal so overall they were getting the same quantity daily. If they eat bigger meals maybe they would feel full and stop nagging.
I also thought of this, but I also fear this could backfire and they would still be hungry all the time and would expect more food each time.
What seems to stop Freya to stop stealing our food or pestering us, is to prepare a dish of green salad for her. This keeps her busy for a while though not making her too "fat", but soon after that, we're back to square one. Usually the grace time between their meal and the next food request is 30 minutes! :eek2:
 

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If you are feeding them kibble, can you put their kibble in some sort of food puzzle while you're eating, and feed them the most at that time, to keep them occupied?

Get some food covers and put your drink in a lidded cup with a straw?

I don't necessarily think this is a strange/uncommon "behavioural" issue... while my two older cats never really tried to do this, our 8 month old kitten will run to me when I open the fridge, when I'm making dinner, or if she knows we have food. She will keep persisting even if I keep gently pushing her away. One time, we had panko breaded salmon for dinner and hubs left the dirty dishes on the counter... minutes later, he caught her on the counter licking our plates. :ohwell: Needless to say, we saw the instances of counter surfing increase after that and we've had to get a SSSCAT spray to stop that behaviour.

I'd expect with your cats, since they've been successful multiple times in the past, they will keep doing this until they're no longer successful....consistently....and there's nothing in it for them. I think the food covers will help.

With Freya being a 5 month kitten, I would really feed her more at a time....give her a big chunk of food (within what you'd usually feed her) and see if that gets better, especially if during your 8 mealtimes she usually finishes all her food. Maybe the frequent meal times are making her feel more hungry, because she's not feeling as satiated each meal. I feed my 8 month old as much as my 12 lb 8.5 year old now because when I was feeding her even a little less (as much as the 8 lb 8.5 year old) she was scarfing down her food and looking for more food after. Feeding her more seemed to help. I only feed the cats twice a day (raw food).
 
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If you are feeding them kibble, can you put their kibble in some sort of food puzzle while you're eating, and feed them the most at that time, to keep them occupied?
Get some food covers and put your drink in a lidded cup with a straw?
Yes, I could use a food puzzle with her dry food in it, though the young one is very impulsive, and I expect her to destroy the item in a few days :lol: :lol: :lol:
Using food covers could be fine when we're not eating, but unsuitable when we are eating and food is on the table. It would be way better if they stop this habit :think:

I'd expect with your cats, since they've been successful multiple times in the past, they will keep doing this until they're no longer successful....consistently....and there's nothing in it for them. I think the food covers will help.
We're trying to deter her (them) as consistently as we can, but so far the results are poor...

With Freya being a 5 month kitten, I would really feed her more at a time....give her a big chunk of food (within what you'd usually feed her) and see if that gets better, especially if during your 8 mealtimes she usually finishes all her food. Maybe the frequent meal times are making her feel more hungry, because she's not feeling as satiated each meal. I feed my 8 month old as much as my 12 lb 8.5 year old now because when I was feeding her even a little less (as much as the 8 lb 8.5 year old) she was scarfing down her food and looking for more food after. Feeding her more seemed to help. I only feed the cats twice a day (raw food).
I will try this, I hope it doesn't backfire :)
 
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I decided I will try feeding more food and less often during the weekend, when I am able to keep an eye on them all day and see how they act.
However, last night I had to prepare a dish of green salad for Freya in order to keep her away from the table and our food :lol:
 
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If all else fails can you put them in another safe room while you eat?
Of course I could, but I think I would hear them meowing and yelling all time long :lol:
It happens like this when I need to move them to a safe place for a few minutes, like when I scoop their litter trays and I do that at the bin outside, and I don't want to have them nearby because I fear they could get out without me controlling them.
 

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I would fee them MORE of something like a weight management dry food. I keep this out for my cats all the time. If they get fuller they shouldn't be hungry. If they are acting so desperate for food, they most likely ARE hungry! I would feed them right before my own meals too so they aren't such a begger.
 
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I would fee them MORE of something like a weight management dry food. I keep this out for my cats all the time.
The dry food I'm feeding them is grain free. I have searched the web, and haven't found a grain-free dry food dedicated to weight control.
I'm also restricted in the choice, because, apparently, Giada has issues with poultry-based food. I have plans to try and feed her again with this kind of food, but only when I have time to keep a close eye on her.
We switched to white fish food last July/August, when she had poop issues.

If they get fuller they shouldn't be hungry. If they are acting so desperate for food, they most likely ARE hungry! I would feed them right before my own meals too so they aren't such a begger.
Yes di and bob di and bob , this seems to be the problem, but if they are hungry, how comes they are gaining weight so quick? I tend to believe that if someone doesn't eat enough, they shouldn't gain weight.
 

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Maybe you could give them something low calorie like shaved turkey or chicken before you eat? I feed Science Diet and Purina Pro weight management food. They are not grain free, but after reading that dogs had died because of grain free, I'm a little leery of them. I'll do more research....
 
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Maybe you could give them something low calorie like shaved turkey or chicken before you eat? I feed Science Diet and Purina Pro weight management food. They are not grain free, but after reading that dogs had died because of grain free, I'm a little leery of them. I'll do more research....
Yes, I read of pets who died or had severe damages from grain free food, but on the other side I feel that my Pallina suffered from IBD and other related ailments because of her diet too rich in grains.

I will try to feed them more and less often and see what happens, then I will decide what to do depending on the results :)
I'm uncertain whether to give them double amount (100% more) as a new appoach, or to try to increase it step by step, say about 50% more and see.
 
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The experiment partly failed.

I mean, as from Saturday I started feeding them much more food, less often. They were less hungry right after their meals, of course, given that I was giving them twice as much food than before, but they were hungry again a bit later, though less hungry...
So, when I serve their dinner, for instance, a few seconds before we sit at the table for our dinner, they are busy eating their richer dinner, and it takes longer for them to finish it, but this doesn't prevent them from coming pestering us on the table and trying to steal our food, though they are less persistent, and give up more easily.

It's not a full success, but a good improvement.
 

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So, when I serve their dinner, for instance, a few seconds before we sit at the table for our dinner, they are busy eating their richer dinner, and it takes longer for them to finish it, but this doesn't prevent them from coming pestering us on the table and trying to steal our food, though they are less persistent, and give up more easily. It's not a full success, but a good improvement.
That behavior could be more 'habit' at this point. If that is the case, then hopefully as time passes with them feeling fuller, they will be less interested in following through on the 'old habit' - and, ideally it will eventually be forgotten!!
 
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The situation is getting nearly unbearable.

Freya, the younger kitty, is very aggressive with our food. We have to protect our dishes, glasses, whatever is on the table, constantly, every day. We only have two hands each, and we aren't able to cover, protect, hide, move, everything quickly. She's much quicker than the two of us. She steals something as soon as we cover something else, and when we retrieve what she has stolen, she quickly grabs something else.
Blowing to her face, pushing her away, asking her to go away, do not work. Putting her down the table does not work either, she soon jumps on it again from the other end.
I also shout at her, and bang my hands on the table sometimes.
This night she was extremely annoying and aggressive, and after half an hour or attempts from her to steal our stuff and my efforts to keep her away, I shouted at the top of my lungs, she was close to me, so she got frightened and she avoided me for a while.
Now she's on my lap, but she's clearly upset and not so loving as her usual. She's also tense now, and is getting easily startled.

This situation is clearly ruining our relationship, and I can't blame her, but I am at my wit's end.
My wife is sorry for me, because she's seeing me constantly nervous.
Our meal times should be relaxing moments, but they are getting stressful parts of the day.

I want to make it clear that both cats have a full and complete meal at the same time as our meal, but they empty their dishes in a couple of minutes, so they have plenty of time to pester us later. Giada, the older cat, has become much quieter lately, but Freya is being absolutely annoying.
I don't want to leave her alone in another room during our meals, but I don't want to be tormented by her either.

I just don't know what to do. I'm so so tired.
I don't think this is a normal situation, I asked other people I know, they live/have lived a different life with their cats/kittens.
 

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I didn't go back an re-read everything, so if you have already explained that this option is not possible, sorry. For the most part, you can control no food being outside of the kitchen, so block off the kitchen all the time - and, feed them elsewhere. There are DIY foldable doors made from shelving that you can create to accomplish this under most circumstances, and they would be easy to open and shut as needed. They can range in height - up to the ceiling if need be. I can give you a pic example, but you've probably already seen it on this site. If you need to see it, let me know.

If that is not possible, then placing her in another room while you are eating isn't going to physically kill either of you. She - and you - will 'get over it' after a bit. Right now, you can't find any health reason behind this problem, so all you can do is attempt to break the habit by removing her from the area of temptation. She can't really be any more frustrated by being temporarily re-located to another room during meals than she is by being pushed away, having someone blow in her face, or being yelled at - yes? You really would be doing a favor for her - and, you as well.
 

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I don't think it's hunger at all. They probably made a game of it and also enjoy being with you when you eat.
I second FeebysOwner FeebysOwner , never leave enticing food around, and remove her from the dining area until she learns to behave.
 
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