I did a little experiment tonight

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What do you mean? I had a great day. Even better one today so far!!
I just meant that you seemed pretty emotional. I think people were just trying to help your cat and you took it as an attack and you lashed out at them. That is usually a sign of stress or general unhappiness with one's own situation. I was just wishing you well thoughts and hope that things get better for you. No ill will. Glad things are going better for you today!
 
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I just meant that you seemed pretty emotional. I think people were just trying to help your cat and you took it as an attack and you lashed out at them. That is usually a sign of stress or general unhappiness with one's own situation. I was just wishing you well thoughts and hope that things get better for you. No ill will. Glad things are going better for you today!
I don't need help with my cat. I don't mind advice but when people start criticizing how I am taking care of them, I get pissed. Same if somebody told me I was raising my kids wrong and I needed to do it their way. You do you and I'll do me. I don't tell people what to do in any aspect of their lives. I offer advice and let them figure out what works for them. I expect the same.
 

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Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. That's what most on here want. . .They seem to dislike those who don't blindly agree with everything they say.
Lol, can't say I've ever seen that argument turned in this direction. Usually it's the "don't drink the food manufacturer's koolaid! They want you to blindly buy! There Are Things They Don't Want You To Know!!!" Ah, well, that's the internet for ya.

I'm a firm believer that whatever works for you and your cats is fine. But you did mention that you had males who blocked in the past. And feeding a high percentage of canned food (or otherwise increasing fluid intake. But feeding canned is the easiest way) is a good way to keep their bladders flushed out so they don't block. Just a suggestion.

There are some studies if you want to poke around. Here's one:
Effect of Diet on Lower Urinary Tract Diseases in Cats

"The proportion of cats showing recurrence of lower urinary tract disease was significantly less in a group fed a canned, commercial acidifying diet (11%) than in another group fed the dry formulation of the same product (39%)"
 
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Lol, can't say I've ever seen that argument turned in this direction. Usually it's the "don't drink the food manufacturer's koolaid! They want you to blindly buy! There Are Things They Don't Want You To Know!!!" Ah, well, that's the internet for ya.

I'm a firm believer that whatever works for you and your cats is fine. But you did mention that you had males who blocked in the past. And feeding a high percentage of canned food (or otherwise increasing fluid intake. But feeding canned is the easiest way) is a good way to keep their bladders flushed out so they don't block. Just a suggestion.

There are some studies if you want to poke around. Here's one:
Effect of Diet on Lower Urinary Tract Diseases in Cats

"The proportion of cats showing recurrence of lower urinary tract disease was significantly less in a group fed a canned, commercial acidifying diet (11%) than in another group fed the dry formulation of the same product (39%)"
Yes, he blocked when he wasn't on the special urinary health diet and also when he was on Royal Canin. When on Iames Urinary Health, he was fine.
 

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I don't need help with my cat. I don't mind advice but when people start criticizing how I am taking care of them, I get pissed. Same if somebody told me I was raising my kids wrong and I needed to do it their way. You do you and I'll do me. I don't tell people what to do in any aspect of their lives. I offer advice and let them figure out what works for them. I expect the same.
I don't see anyone in this thread criticizing you or telling you that you need to do it our way. I come to these forums for wisdom from other experienced cat parents and I've learned a lot here. Folks on these forums have helped me through difficult times and even kindly spent hours creating and analyzing recipes for me. Yes, sometimes we butt heads, but we all love cats and no one is here to shame each other. Perhaps you feel attacked because you feel a little uncertain deep down about whether you're feeding the best diet. That's perfectly fine - we all go through it. Heck, I wonder all the time if I could be doing something better for my cats or if I'm doing something wrong. Don't take our advice as an attack on you. We are just trying to help.
 
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I don't see anyone in this thread criticizing you or telling you that you need to do it our way. I come to these forums for wisdom from other experienced cat parents and I've learned a lot here. Folks on these forums have helped me through difficult times and even kindly spent hours creating and analyzing recipes for me. Yes, sometimes we butt heads, but we all love cats and no one is here to shame each other. Perhaps you feel attacked because you feel a little uncertain deep down about whether you're feeding the best diet. That's perfectly fine - we all go through it. Heck, I wonder all the time if I could be doing something better for my cats or if I'm doing something wrong. Don't take our advice as an attack on you. We are just trying to help.


All I am asking is to stop with the unsolicited advice. There are plenty of other people on here asking for advice.
 
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I am confident in my diet as it has worked for over 40 years. The attack is the links and comments comparing dry food to poison and giving animals cancer. Maybe not in this thread but others I have posted in reference how I feed my cats.

All I am asking is to stop with the unsolicited advice. There are plenty of people on here asking for advice. I am not.
I believe the attack is on dry food, not on you. And there's lots of great evidence out there to show that kibble is unhealthy for cats. Dismissing this as a personal attack on you (which it is not) or a conspiracy theory doesn't make it untrue.

I have family members who smoked cigarettes their entire lives and lived to be 80+ without any serious health issues. Should I dismiss all the evidence showing the harms of nicotine?

You started a thread and people are responding to you. Not every response has to be one that you agree with or one that you solicited. This is the nature of online forums.
 
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I believe the attack is on dry food, not on you. And there's lots of great evidence out there to show that kibble is unhealthy for cats. Dismissing this as a personal attack on you (which it is not) or a conspiracy theory doesn't make it untrue.

I have family members who smoked cigarettes their entire lives and lived to be 80+ without any serious health issues. Should I dismiss all the evidence showing the harms of nicotine?

You started a thread and people are responding to you. Not every response has to be one that you agree with or one that you solicited. This is the nature of online forums.
Really? This is how they work?? I will have to tell the members of the forum I've been apart of for almost 20 years that we've been doing it wrong all along. :rolleyes:
 

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Neither of my cats ever ate a whole 3 oz can at a meal, even my overweight, food shoveling Jasmine :lol: Lydia won't even eat a whole ounce at a time.
 

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Neither of my cats ever ate a whole 3 oz can at a meal, even my overweight, food shoveling Jasmine :lol: Lydia won't even eat a whole ounce at a time.
Why do cats do this? I throw soo much food away because my daughter's cat will only eat at most 1/3 of a can or pouch. And I think my cat is defective. He will not even lick a food with fish in it. lol
 

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Why do cats do this? I throw soo much food away because my daughter's cat will only eat at most 1/3 of a can or pouch. And I think my cat is defective. He will not even lick a food with fish in it. lol
Lol Lydia won't eat anything that has tuna in it or unnamed fish. Salmon seems to be okay though!

Cats, I tell you!
 
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Since this is the thread I acted stupid in and since finding out not everyone reads every sub-forum, I decided to repost my apology here. Hopefully the people I was snarky to will see it.

I want to apologize for my behavior a couple weeks ago. That was not a true representation of myself. I am not sure why it happened. Maybe the stress of the upcoming spay/neuter surgery. Maybe the guilt I will carry that I should have done yearly check ups with my prior cats and the female's medical issues may have been caught earlier and treated better. Maybe because I thought I was being treated like somebody new to owning cats when I wasn't. I don't know and it really doesn't matter.

I just wanted to pop in here and say I am truly sorry to anyone I made a inappropriate snarky comment to and to anyone who had to read it. I am truly embarrassed by my behavior
 

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Since this is the thread I acted stupid in and since finding out not everyone reads every sub-forum, I decided to repost my apology here. Hopefully the people I was snarky to will see it.

I want to apologize for my behavior a couple weeks ago. That was not a true representation of myself. I am not sure why it happened. Maybe the stress of the upcoming spay/neuter surgery. Maybe the guilt I will carry that I should have done yearly check ups with my prior cats and the female's medical issues may have been caught earlier and treated better. Maybe because I thought I was being treated like somebody new to owning cats when I wasn't. I don't know and it really doesn't matter.

I just wanted to pop in here and say I am truly sorry to anyone I made a inappropriate snarky comment to and to anyone who had to read it. I am truly embarrassed by my behavior
Everyone has bad days. I often have to remind myself that kindness goes along way and the whole if you don't have anything nice to say just shut up thing. LOL Also I think the majority of people in a cat forum only want what is best for cats and the intention is good. Some just need to work on their delivery.

You have beautiful cats by the way!
 
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Everyone has bad days. I often have to remind myself that kindness goes along way and the whole if you don't have anything nice to say just shut up thing. LOL Also I think the majority of people in a cat forum only want what is best for cats and the intention is good. Some just need to work on their delivery.

You have beautiful cats by the way!
Normally I do shut up. :lol: I realized they were probably right. Just because I had been doing something for 40+ years does not mean it was right. In fact, I have changed how I feed Boone and Gracie. I have started feeding them wet food twice a day which I have never done with any cats. My last two never got wet food!!

Thank you for the kind words about Boone and Gracie. I was never a cat person until they came along. It helps that they love me best too. :lol:
 

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Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. That's what most on here want. What is on here is not knowledge. It is what is usually flushed down the toilet after a serious bout of food poisoning. Most are nothing but virtue signalers who try to out do each other to be seen as the best cat owner on the site. They want you to not think for yourself but to just do what they say. They seem to dislike those who don't blindly agree with everything they say. Nothing proves that more than me being the villain for not feeding my cats the way they think I should yet the lady who is letting her cat suffer with a bad eye infection to the point where it will probably end up blind because she's too scared to take it to the vet for fear that if she dares steps outside, Covid19 will come for her. Is anyone jumping on her?? No. Everyone is telling her to take the cat to the vet but in a kind and gentle way. I am feeding my cat dry food and suddenly I'm poisoning them and going to give cancer. Give me a f***ing break! I'll check back in 16 years and see where all the "followers" cats are and we'll see who has had to take their cats to the vets for health issues and who hasn't. Considering out of the 40 years of cat ownership with cats living between 16-21 years with little to no vet visits, I'm confident on which side I'll land on. See y'all then! :wave2:
I agree that some cats will live to an old age on just dry food- I remember a friend just feeding her cat dry Little Friskies- her cat lived to be 20. Thats what they had then, and I don't think there was any information on nutrition from vets- which is still the problem today. When my cat got sick no one brought up food- what to feed except the usual Science Diet which is what she had been eating all of her life with some Tiki cat wet. I free fed her because I was at work. She drank alot of water. Then she got sick I researched and changed her diet to mainly wet and she never threw up again- her weight stabilized so it worked for her. I question the way I fed her and did that make her sick- add to her tooth decay? Thats the visit that started her downward spiral- plaque build up from the dry food. When she died she had a pleural effusion and the start of kidney disease-even though the vet was focused on possible IBD and Lymphoma the whole time. the vet always said heart murmurs dont really mean anything but it did. So I wasnt given the right information by either vet. I wish I had known about this site because of all the information you don't get from your vet- and I went to two. All the kind support people give out- the questions they have that you can then ask your vet- something you didnt think to ask other members will point out-I could have had her heart checked- now when someones cat is losing weight I tell them to have the cats heart checked. This is a valuable website and I've learned more here than I ever did from a vet- and now I will know to push it when they just throw out a diagnoses. And I know genetics play a big part in it all, sounds like you've been lucky with your cats, keep on then!
 
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