Need a queen for my baby boy

[Love Persian Cats]

I am a proud owner of a 22 mo old black and white Persian boy who roams freely around the house, is indoor only, does not spray and lives with another adorable Persian male who is 10 yo and is neutered They both use automatic cleaning litter robots
Let me be very clear from the beginning
- I am not a breeder and have no intentions to become one and I am not interested in any financial gain at all
- My Baby named Kaiser has full breeding rights
- He is not a stud he is my baby cat
I did not neuter him because I treat him like a person not a pet Plus My 10 yo beautiful Persian male was fixed at age 14 mo and has been struggling with weight gain ever since
I live on Long Island NY but I am originally from Germany I had cats all my life and I never neutered them and I never made money on them either I always had male cats Persian and Birman
There it was easy you find a partner for your cat by word of mouth talking to friends coworkers who were happy to leave their female cat with my male when she was in heat

However here in US it is very complicated if not impossible The way I see it in US you have only 2 choices - fix the cat or use him as a business
I asked my vet the cats groomer but everybody seems to crucify me because I don’t want to fix him
Therefore I would appreciate any advice or information about contacting owners of female cats interested in mating

 

[GoldyCat]

Is your boy registered with one of the associations (CFA, TICA, etc.)? Do you have his pedigree? If so, you might be able to find someone in the association who is looking to expand their gene pool.

You could also contact the breeder to ask for suggestions/introductions to other breeders.

 

[lutece]

Your post doesn't really explain why you want to breed your cat. It would be helpful to know what you want to achieve by breeding him. Is it because you want your cat to have the experience of mating with another cat? Or because you want your cat to sire kittens? Or you just don't want to have him neutered?

 

[Willowy]

There's no reason for him to mate even if you don't want to neuter him.

 

[Maria Bayote]

My 10 yo beautiful Persian male was fixed at age 14 mo and has been struggling with weight gain ever since

The benefits of neutering a cat far outweigh the cons. All my cats have been fixed but so far none is having any problems with their weight. So after neutering/spaying, it is an absolute must that we as pet owners encourage our cats to have some physical activities, like chasing laser pointer toys, or a catnip stuffed toy mouse, bring them on short or long walks outside, etc.

I did not neuter him because I treat him like a person not a pet

I understand, but kindly consider the benefits of having your cat fixed.

I asked my vet the cats groomer but everybody seems to crucify me because I don’t want to fix him

Please understand also their point of view. With the world filled with homeless and neglected cats, they do have a valid point.

But anyway, to each his own. If you do wish to continue, you can refer to what GoldyCat mentioned above. Or, you can just leave him un-neutered without having him mate as another one posted above. As I have read, please also note that mating process is very painful for a female cat because male cats have barbed penises. That is why when you see cats mating you would hear a scream from a female cat especially during the withdrawal of the penis. This is also one thing you may need to think about.

BTW, you have got a very cute kitty. What is the name of your other senior cat?

 

[posiepurrs]

Most of the breeders I know (Me included) breed to improve the cat and to have a kitten to show, not just to have kittens. That may be why you are finding it so difficult. Breeders are very cautious because of kitten mills and backyard breeders, of which most don't health testing and tend to over breed the animal. Passionate breeders do not breed willy nilly - it is carefully planned, pedigrees studied and each cat evaluated for what it could contribute and for health. VERY FEW breeders ever make money!!! I have been doing this for over 12 years and have lost more money than I can ever imagine, but I love the breed. Neutering is generally considered much safer than leaving a cat whole - less risk of cancer and other issues. Aside from that, breeding is extremely expensive - DNA testing, vet bills, premium food, as well as housing and a large fund set aside for emergencies like C-sections or illnesses. I am not trying to be nasty, just trying to share some of my experiences. If you are set on breeding, contact one of the registries (CFA or TICA) and get a mentor. They can help you learn what you will need to know (believe I am learning everyday still).

 

[Love Persian Cats]

Yes I have an extensive pedigree
Unfortunately I got my baby from an unethical breeder (cannot say more as per the rules of this site) a breeder cited by the Humane Society but the Cat Fancier Association doesn’t care This breeder shipped the poor kitten to pet store in Westchester NY where poor pure bred puppies and kittens are kept 2 in a cage and they are handled very roughly It took poor Kaiser 6 mo and all the love in the world to trust humans He also had an eye infection. My vet said I should return him Utterly horrible and heartless Needless to say I changed the vet and reported him to his professional organization I am a physician and I cannot believe such lack of empathy

 

[Love Persian Cats]

The benefits of neutering a cat far outweigh the cons. All my cats have been fixed but so far none is having any problems with their weight. So after neutering/spaying, it is an absolute must that we as pet owners encourage our cats to have some physical activities, like chasing laser pointer toys, or a catnip stuffed toy mouse, bring them on short or long walks outside, etc.


I understand, but kindly consider the benefits of having your cat fixed.


Please understand also their point of view. With the world filled with homeless and neglected cats, they do have a valid point.

But anyway, to each his own. If you do wish to continue, you can refer to what GoldyCat mentioned above. Or, you can just leave him un-neutered without having him mate as another one posted above. As I have read, please also note that mating process is very painful for a female cat because male cats have barbed penises. That is why when you see cats mating you would hear a scream from a female cat especially during the withdrawal of the penis. This is also one thing you may need to think about.

BTW, you have got a very cute kitty. What is the name of your other senior cat?

 

[Love Persian Cats]

I am very aware of the mating process and everything about cats cause I had whole male cats all my life
Also I am a physician and I am aware of the roles of hormones in a mammal body which many people overlook or they allow themselves to be brainwashed by the popular trend let’s get all pets fixed
I do understand the necessity but it does NOT mean it is healthy Hormones have a great protective role for instance for heart disease as the Persian breed is prone to cardiomyopathy
So yes I have good scientific medical reason to keep my Kaiser a whole male and let him
Interact with female cats it is the healthy way to do it
We humans are also mammals and the same rules apply when we lose our hormones after menopause we get fat slow mental acuity decreases and we are more prone to heart attacks and stroke Ask women who had total hysterectomies and oophorrctomies in their 30s how horrible early menopause is
So yes hormones are extremely important

 

[Love Persian Cats]

Your post doesn't really explain why you want to breed your cat. It would be helpful to know what you want to achieve by breeding him. Is it because you want your cat to have the experience of mating with another cat? Or because you want your cat to sire kittens? Or you just don't want to have him neutered?

I have medical reasons cause I am a physician and I am aware of the importance of hormones in a mammal life
I posted a full explanation

 

[Willowy]

It's fine to keep him intact if you're willing to deal with his tomcat behaviors and not let him run around making unwanted kittens. One of my dogs is intact and he never has and is never going to sire a litter. Personally, I can't live with an intact male cat, but if you can, that's fine.

What I'm wondering is, why do you want to find a female for him? Especially since he was from a bad breeder and may have genetic issues that shouldn't be passed on. He can be kept intact without ever breeding.

 

[She's a witch]

I did not neuter him because I treat him like a person not a pet

My cats are my family too, but I don’t treat them like persons, because they are not Homo sapiens, but like cats which they are, that’s why I feed them raw and wet only food etc. And yes, they are both neutered and spayed for number of reasons, eg. not wanting to contribute to cats overpopulation, to ensure their behavior is not driven by sexual hormones, plus for health reasons. They don’t care if they are neutered or not. They are loved immensely and have best live possible.
If one of your cats is overweight, that’s nutrition/over feeding problem, not due to the fact that he’s neutered.
I was always told it’s best for them health wise by veterinarians and my research confirms that, if you can share any scientific evidence that neutering indeed cause harm to cats please share any links! Because tbh I find it hard to believe that the veterinarians worldwide can be so wrong. But certainly not impossible
Anyway, I guess it’s fine to have unaltered cat if you think you have reasons, but personally I find it difficult to understand why you want to breed your cats if you’re not interested in becoming a professional breeder. If you’ve been breeding your cats with random females that were not part of pedigreed breeding programs, you were directly contributing to cats overpopulation and their misery.
Lastly, I find it interesting that despite being so health conscious, you choose to have and breed a cat with distorted skull. I mean, doesn’t it create health issues on its own..? Arent your worries selective?

 

[Love Persian Cats]

Kitten
Yes I have an extensive pedigree
Unfortunately I got my baby from an unethical breeder (cannot say more as per the rules of this site) a breeder cited by the Humane Society but the Cat Fancier Association doesn’t care This breeder

My cats are my family too, but I don’t treat them like persons, because they are not Homo sapiens, but like cats which they are, that’s why I feed them raw and wet only food etc. And yes, they are both neutered and spayed for number of reasons, eg. not wanting to contribute to cats overpopulation, to ensure their behavior is not driven by sexual hormones, plus for health reasons. They don’t care if they are neutered or not. They are loved immensely and have best live possible.
If one of your cats is overweight, that’s nutrition/over feeding problem, not due to the fact that he’s neutered.
I was always told it’s best for them health wise by veterinarians and my research confirms that, if you can share any scientific evidence that neutering indeed cause harm to cats please share any links! Because tbh I find it hard to believe that the veterinarians worldwide can be so wrong. But certainly not impossible
Anyway, I guess it’s fine to have unaltered cat if you think you have reasons, but personally I find it difficult to understand why you want to breed your cats if you’re not interested in becoming a professional breeder. If you’ve been breeding your cats with random females that were not part of pedigreed breeding programs, you were directly contributing to cats overpopulation and their misery.
Lastly, I find it interesting that despite being so health conscious, you choose to have and breed a cat with distorted skull. I mean, doesn’t it create health issues on its own..? Arent your worries selective?

 

[StefanZ]

Observe it may be easier to keep him unneutered if he never mate. Once he has mated he will want more....

 

[jefferd18]

I am very aware of the mating process and everything about cats cause I had whole male cats all my life
Also I am a physician and I am aware of the roles of hormones in a mammal body which many people overlook or they allow themselves to be brainwashed by the popular trend let’s get all pets fixed
I do understand the necessity but it does NOT mean it is healthy Hormones have a great protective role for instance for heart disease as the Persian breed is prone to cardiomyopathy
So yes I have good scientific medical reason to keep my Kaiser a whole male and let him
Interact with female cats it is the healthy way to do it
We humans are also mammals and the same rules apply when we lose our hormones after menopause we get fat slow mental acuity decreases and we are more prone to heart attacks and stroke Ask women who had total hysterectomies and oophorrctomies in their 30s how horrible early menopause is
So yes hormones are extremely important

You bring up an interesting point- that sex hormones are necessary for the overall health in any mammal. There has even been talk in the Veterinarian world that full hysterectomies in animals may be too drastic of a step and that there should be a less intrusive way of altering them.

However, I am a little fuzzy on why you are so intent on him mating- do you want one of his kittens?

Your kitty is really cute- I love the marking on his nose.

 

[Willowy]

There has even been talk in the Veterinarian world that full hysterectomies in animals may be too drastic of a step and that there should be a less intrusive way of altering them.

This is a thing with dogs, and I think it's a good development. Intact dogs are not too hard to handle, most of the time. But I'm not willing to live with a hormonally intact cat whether they're sterile or not. Nope! All the yowling and spraying, just nope. But if anyone else wants to, that's fine by me.

 

[di and bob]

I, myself, think that keeping a cat intact and letting him mate once in a while, is somewhat cruel. The sexual urge (caused by all those hormones) is very powerful. He feels he wants out to mate, and he doesn't know or understand why he can't. The frustrations will be immense and he will most likely fight and become aggressive in trying to get out eventually. He will lead a life of desperation and stress. Prostate and testicular cancer chances will be greatly increased. No one can change your mind, but please observe him closely in the coming years. Territory and heirarchy will become very important to him, it does in all intact toms, and eventually he will begin to harass and try to dominate your older boy. He may pick fights because of his frustrations and your older boy may get hurt. All the luck in your choice, it IS your choice. EVERY Tom I have not had neutered has led a life I would not want for anyone. But I have never had one inside, so have no experience to compare this to.
You will be blessed for taking him in and giving him a home, both are very beautiful!

 

[jefferd18]

This is a thing with dogs, and I think it's a good development. Intact dogs are not too hard to handle, most of the time. But I'm not willing to live with a hormonally intact cat whether they're sterile or not. Nope! All the yowling and spraying, just nope. But if anyone else wants to, that's fine by me.

Dogs can be a pain too, the males fight, and the female will bleed when in heat. The OP has a point about animals becoming overweight after the surgery. With the exception of a few cats, all of mine had gotten much chunkier after being fixed.

 

[amethyst]

Maybe over in Germany they don't have the issue of cat overpopulation, but literally millions of cats are kill every year in the US simply because there are more cats then homes for them. People allow their cats to breed without any thought to the resulting kittens either intentionally (like it sounds like you are planning/wanting to) or by letting intact cats roam. Are you planning to keep all the kittens that result from the mating? As well as all kittens that result if those cats aren't fixed either? Or do you just want your cat to mate and don't care what happens to the resulting kittens? No responsible ethical breeder is going to agree to allowing their purebred cats to mate with a random untested male.

 

[jen]

The OP has a point about animals becoming overweight after the surgery. With the exception of a few cats, all of mine had gotten much chunkier after being fixed.

Most people don't 1) cut back on feeding after neutering, and 2) overfeed dry food in the first place
It really is owner error, not the fault of the cat. That being said I am totally at fault too.