Wet food causing CONSTIPATION for my cat! Need recommendations please.

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HI kitmom,

I posted on this thread back in January, and those three kitties did all adjust to a pretty good variety of foods, including Nature's Variety.  I do rotate.  However, I ended up back at this thread because we adopted my mom's cat about 2 months ago.  He was on all dry food and had been for 7 years, to the point that all wet food left in his bowl next to the dry was considered by him to be non-food for weeks.  I found the advice to slowly move the wet closer to the dry in the bowl, then roll some kibble in the gravy, then finally put kibble on more and more wet.  Well, he started cleaning his bowl with Nutro minced chicken in there, and I have slowly reduced the amount of kibble until he is now eating pure wet food.  Unfortunately, I too think he may be constipated.  At my mom's, he drank a lot more water, and I figured that was from the fact that she keeps the house much hotter than here and also his all dry food diet.  I was not that worried when he started drinking less with the wet food, and also, I am cleaning urine clumps out of his box regularly.  I do have 3 other cats, and we have just been able to let him out in the house with them after that slow introduction.  I cannot be 100% certain he is not using their litter boxes, but I have never seen it if he does (and have never seen mine use his either).

Anyway, since he loves the slices or minced or even Weruva or Soulistic with the gravy, I am going to try adding a bit of water and creating a bit more gravy to see if he poops more often and a bit more.  I am also working to make sure I am feeding him enough in 24 hours.  He needs to lose a pound, but honestly, with him having run of the house versus living in one room at my mom's, I think the activity increase may help him lose weight over time, even if he never eats fewer calories, especially if those calories are wet food that is grain free.

I do, however, hope the Nutro is not causing the issue--for one it is cheaper by the ounce and calorie than Weurva or Soulistic, and for another, and for another, I really like that he does have variety.  One of the Soulistic ones has pumpkin soup (Autumn Bounty?) with chicken.  I know people suggest pumpkin for diarrhea, but I thought I read somewhere that the fiber might help with constipation as well.  I keep thinking that the dry cat food this cat was on was SD Indoor and contained cellulose, which I think helps with passing stool.  I worry a bit about hair stopping him up as well, since I think cellulose is added to help there.  Is that right?  I have some Laxatone around here, but my cats do not need it, since they just don't have a hairball issue on this diet. I would think that if hair was the issue, he would be coughing up hair balls, which he is not.

I hope your cat's bowels get straightened out.  A little over a year ago, one of my cats suffered for months with loose stools.  It took a while and several trips to the vets before reading here made me question stress and maybe the quality of the Fancy Feast he was 100% eating.  Both my kids had gone to college, and I was leaving the house more often to help some family at that time as well.  Everyone leaving them alone more may have just been too much for that one cat, since he is definitely very affectionate.  Hopefully, with a bit of studying and investigation, we can help our cats through this.  I am going to try adding water to the wet food, just a spoonful for starters. I will try to remember to post if it is a success for our new addition to the family.  I actually have sort of IBS with constipation, and one reason I suffer in that area is because my stress is usually largely do to being overloaded with work, and in that situation, I very often forget to stop and get water to drink (I remember the caffeine, which is usually keeping me awake during stressful times that are shorting my sleep).  I know this cat is still adjusting, since he is on wet food and is now living in my house with 3 other cats--hugs firsts for him--so maybe stress is a factor as well, with no drinking from boredom, which he may have done when living in that one room at my mom's.

I do wonder if it is a moisture issue causing so many cats to suffer and that people on her are onto something by adding water to the cans.  I mean, when they make canned water, they do probably cook out the juices (thinking there has to be steam when it cooks at least), but I was of the school of thought that canned food is actually mostly water, so adding water seemed unnecessary.  Since this cat was a challenge to get to eat the wet foods he does eat, I hated to chance diluting the gravy and having him balk, but maybe if I just had a spoonful at first, he won't notice. (Famous last words, right?   LOL!)
 

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I mean when they make canned food.....  I work nights, and it is time for bed!!!  LOL! 
 

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I know this thread is super old!! But same problem here!! My kitty was diagnosed with UTI. A culture was not performed but the vet suggested to give him cranberry treats and d-mannose. The urinalysis only detected protein and blood. Not any crystals and only 1 out of the 4 found bacteria which she says could have been because it was a very small sample and of the needle touched anything else you would see bacteria. So d-mannose just to be safe! Anyway, we switched to Purina pro urinary health and we were feeding and only dry food diet (blue buffalo). I know it has byproducts and other horrible ingredients but I wanted to stay on the safe side for my bear until he feels better that is. We have already ordered nutro and they, all four of my babies are on the PuriNa pro plan wet food! Only! With some Nutro for the others. They are constipated! So bad! Having to give Laxatone daily! But I think it's a definite adjustment. I find 10 pees daily feeding all wet so I doubt it's water content. Just new! Less dry matter. Less stuff in their gut. Less poop. I think, hope, pray that they will all adjust to a new wet food diet
 

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Mama cats stimulate bowel movements by licking kitten's rectum, a practice I don't recommend.
 

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This is pretty old, but I thought I'd pitch in a little.

I read an article a while back about wet-food and I'm not sure how true it actually is, but it said that a good many brands don't ACTUALLY use true chicken chunks in their feed. A lot of the stuff is just chicken+vegetables+scraps+grains mushed up and chopped into cubes so it LOOKS like chicken. I think perhaps that's why the cats get constipated even when they're on wet food?
 

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This is pretty old, but I thought I'd pitch in a little.

I read an article a while back about wet-food and I'm not sure how true it actually is, but it said that a good many brands don't ACTUALLY use true chicken chunks in their feed. A lot of the stuff is just chicken+vegetables+scraps+grains mushed up and chopped into cubes so it LOOKS like chicken. I think perhaps that's why the cats get constipated even when they're on wet food?
Wow.... My four only like the chunky brands! Oh no! Even d it's high quality like nutro or natural instincts? It makes sense because I switched to a lower protein food per my vets recommendation! They hate pâté! So this is going to be a new transition! Time to put small amounts of paté in with their chunks until the transition is complete. :0
 

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I heard that in Australia, kangaroo meat is in dog food
 

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I'm pretty sure that they do use kangaroo meat in Oz for pet food. And you can buy it for human consumption too. A couple of decades ago when we lived in the UK, we used to buy kangaroo steaks at the local supermarket fairly often. Never seen it in Canada though!
 

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Cats on wet food don't poop much, not every day, they are not constipated.
Are you saying YOUR cats don't poop much on wet food and aren't constipated, or no cat on wet food would be constipated and poop everyday?  Sorry, I'm a little confused.

If you are making a general statement, than I would have to contradict you, only because I feed my furkids an all wet diet and also add probably 3 - 5 tablespoons of filtered water to it (each cat, per day) and they poop at least once, sometimes twice a day, AND, my kidney cat, who got more water than that added to her meals, was constipated often.  Granted, she was a kidney cat, which came with it's own set of problems, chronic constipation normally being one of them.  OH, and I'm a firm believer of feeding a very low carb diet, so not many fillers in their food, plus all their treats are actually freeze dried raw pieces.  Maybe mine just eat more, therefore poop more
 

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that's funny you say your cat hates pate, one of my cats totally hates it too. So I am basically forced to feed Tiki Cat, Weruva, Soulistic & Purely Fancy Feast. Not much of a choice!

I was feeding them all NV Instinct mixed with Soulistic Aromatic Chicken, they just love the shredded meat best. Their poopies have always been really good, I would love to stick with NV but 2 out of 3 cats are fat now & it's time to switch to a lower fat food. I don't watch to see if they all poop every day but when I clean out the litter box (a couple times a week) there are just a few nuggets. They pee way more than poop.
 

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that's funny you say your cat hates pate, one of my cats totally hates it too. So I am basically forced to feed Tiki Cat, Weruva, Soulistic & Purely Fancy Feast. Not much of a choice!

I was feeding them all NV Instinct mixed with Soulistic Aromatic Chicken, they just love the shredded meat best. Their poopies have always been really good, I would love to stick with NV but 2 out of 3 cats are fat now & it's time to switch to a lower fat food. I don't watch to see if they all poop every day but when I clean out the litter box (a couple times a week) there are just a few nuggets. They pee way more than poop.
I started to feed my babies the NV pride Rockstar Rabbit. It is shredded and grain free. They seem to like it and it is not a pate. They will also eat pate Nutro duck flavor. I started to add a probiotic to their food and the constipation is all gone. Normal bowel movements. I don't count the number of poops because I have 4 cats, but I now notice at least two poops a day. Before days would go by without any! Or with really dark hard BIG poos. Now everything seems to be more regular with the probiotics. Hope this helps somebody else.
 

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I realize this is a super old thread by now, but maybe it will help someone else in the future. I am also starting to believe that Nature's Variety wet food (Salmon flavor) causes constipation! My cat was on a grain-free dry food prior to getting a dental cleaning + 1 tooth extracted but we had to switch to wet food while he was recovering. We read that wet food is better for cats and decided to stick with it but now he's having constipation issues --we didn't notice his lack of pooping over the xmas holidays but on New Year's morning, he vomited 4x as a result of straining to poop! We are about to go back to the vet for a 3rd time to get yet another enema and xrays done... ugh.

That being said, they did find a small amount of blood in his urine and his creatinine level was a little high - so now he's currently being treated for a UTI, but they also suspect he could have kidney disease/chronic renal insufficiency. Kidney disease also causes kitties to drink and urinate a lot more, and causes the body to suck the moisture out of the wetfood when it's being digested with the result that is can make it much harder to poop and thus cause constipation.
 

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Nothing wrong with an old thread, as long as we figure stuff out.

Someone posted earlier that the above mentioned food contained clay: I looked it up and it does. Clay is a mineral the adsorbs vast quantities of water. This will cause the stool to become very hard and also acts as a strong binder, making the stool even harder. Clay may also be supplying unwanted minerals. They don't list the ash content, but someone could call and ask them. It always bugs me when companies don't give complete information. Always good to know protein, fat, crude fiber, soluble fiber, moisture, ash and starch content. If you call a company be sure to ask for all 7 nutrients.

It is not unusual for any carnivore diet, canned or dry to cause a cat to poop less. Once every 24-36 hours is normal and every other day is not uncommon. Stool is almost always the size and diameter of your small finger. The stool is usually highly segmented and some what dryer in nature and the segments can break up a little after they have dried in the litter box for a day. Basically the stool looks like a tootsie roll. Urine output is generally 2-4 urine balls in 24 hours, with 3 being the average.

To properly diagnose kidney disease you will need to know urine specific gravity and pH and a complete blood panel. Both sets of tests should be done at the same time. Please don't let any one talk you into a low protein diet for a kidney disease cat. The new research states that protein does not matter as long as it is animal based and highly digestible. The average 10 pound cat still needs about 19 grams of protein a day. So they either eat twice as much of a 28% vet diet or half as much of a 52% protein diet. Of course eating twice as much of the vet diet will supply too much phosphorus. The most critical dietary consideration for a kidney disease cat  is low phosphorus levels. Once you get the blood test it will show phosphorus levels and a phosphorus binder in the food may be advised.
 

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Now I'm thoroughly convinced it was the Nature's Variety wetfood causing the constipation - we switched the to something else (Simply Nourish canned) and my cat pooped 3-4 stools within a couple of hours after eating. We didn't end up going back to the vet for an enema.

Bear in mind, on the NV wetfood, we were also giving probiotics, 1/4 teaspoon of Miralax and 1/4 teaspoon of olive oil under the vet's instructions and he still hadn't pooped for about 3 days.

Anyway...we will still be going back to the vet eventually, but not til our kitty finishes his cycle of antibiotics for the suspected UTI. They will repeat the blood tests and urinalysis to see if the antibiotics cleared things or if they are looking at kidney disease.
 

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My recommendation is to decide on what food you are going to feed and then feed that food for a month before you go back for testing. That way you will have a solid baseline from which to start. I would pick a low phosphorus diet, less than 0.60%. You might also want to think about researching a carnivore diet that uses all all animal protein and has less than 6% starch/carbs. If he does have kidney disease a phosphorus binder can help extend quality of life.

Good luck.
 
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